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BigJ

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Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Hmme Depot here has staffing shortages, but overall, has more knowledgeable people than the Lowes does. Seems like the Lowes hires the ones who can't get hired at Home Depot...
I agree that Lowes is usually much cleaner, but their products seem to be lower quality (home owner vs contractor quality?) Granted, many name brand things are the same (duh) but Lowe's "house" brands seem cheaper and more shoddily built. They only get my business if HD doesn't have what I want in stock.

It may look like a staffing shortage, but we actually have plenty of employees. The problem is to make plan they will schedule the absolute bare minimum number of employees. In my department, except for myself, no part timers have hours. We have 4 FTers (including the DH) and 5 PTers. I haven't seen some of the other PTers for almost a month. For the past 3 weeks I've had to cover around 3-4 departments. The job can be frustrating but the pay and tuition assistance is nice.

Then, by your very post you prove my point about staffing shortages. IF you don't have enough people to fill the positions, and provide the service to the customer, you have staffing shortages, regardless of what the business plan may say.

Staffing shortages are normally associated with not having the money to hire new workers and maintain current levels of employment. We have plenty of money and employees, it's just that management in their infinite wisdom decides not to put people on. So it's a little different then your typical staffing shortage.

And this never used to be the case. Nardelli really brought this practice into full swing, but the new CEO Blake is supposedly taking steps to change this. From a customer service standpoint, everything you see wrong with HD stores is Nardelli's fault.
 

BoomerD

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Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Hmme Depot here has staffing shortages, but overall, has more knowledgeable people than the Lowes does. Seems like the Lowes hires the ones who can't get hired at Home Depot...
I agree that Lowes is usually much cleaner, but their products seem to be lower quality (home owner vs contractor quality?) Granted, many name brand things are the same (duh) but Lowe's "house" brands seem cheaper and more shoddily built. They only get my business if HD doesn't have what I want in stock.

It may look like a staffing shortage, but we actually have plenty of employees. The problem is to make plan they will schedule the absolute bare minimum number of employees. In my department, except for myself, no part timers have hours. We have 4 FTers (including the DH) and 5 PTers. I haven't seen some of the other PTers for almost a month. For the past 3 weeks I've had to cover around 3-4 departments. The job can be frustrating but the pay and tuition assistance is nice.

Then, by your very post you prove my point about staffing shortages. IF you don't have enough people to fill the positions, and provide the service to the customer, you have staffing shortages, regardless of what the business plan may say.

Staffing shortages are normally associated with not having the money to hire new workers and maintain current levels of employment. We have plenty of money and employees, it's just that management in their infinite wisdom decides not to put people on. So it's a little different then your typical staffing shortage.

And this never used to be the case. Nardelli really brought this practice into full swing, but the new CEO Blake is supposedly taking steps to change this. From a customer service standpoint, everything you see wrong with HD stores is Nardelli's fault.

OK, regardless of what you call a pig, it's still a pig...;)
Personally, I do 90% of my business with HD, 10% with Lowes, so I'm NOT pickin on you...I've also noticed HD stock items have declined quite a bit, and am having to go to Lowes more and more for "little odds & ends" that HD used to always have in stock. (things like odd pipe fittings and such)
 

BigJ

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Nov 18, 2001
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Originally posted by: BoomerD
OK, regardless of what you call a pig, it's still a pig...;)
Personally, I do 90% of my business with HD, 10% with Lowes, so I'm NOT pickin on you...I've also noticed HD stock items have declined quite a bit, and am having to go to Lowes more and more for "little odds & ends" that HD used to always have in stock. (things like odd pipe fittings and such)

Too true. You don't know how many times I have to tell people in a day that we no longer stock the product they're looking for (even on some items that are fairly common)
 

hjo3

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The last time I went to Home Depot they only had the self-checkout stands open. I used one, but two of my items couldn't be recognized. I waved to the lady who's there to help with that sort of thing, but she was on the phone and told me she'd be with me in a second. I'm sure the phone conversation wasn't important since she was laughing and so on... After ten minutes, I shoved my stuff in a bag, walked over and handed it to her, and said "I didn't realize you'd be so busy. I'll go to Lowe's, thanks." Never went there again.
 

BUTCH1

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Jul 15, 2000
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Herbie makes a great point, The local super- wallyworld is only 1.25 miles from home
but I still go to Publix, which is more expensive. Why..because Publix runs a clean store,
has good quality and most important LOTS of cashiers on duty. Check out is fast every
time unlike wal-mart where you might want to borrow a Mag. from the rack to kill time
while waiting to get checked out. For the same reason I prefer lowe's or Ace over HD,
more staff to help you when you need it...
 

kritical

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The reason home depot is doing so horribly is because its a store geared more towards contractors, companies, and people doing heavy home work. Since the housing market is pathetic right now, no one is building, buying or selling equaling poor sales.... Lowes on the other hand is geared towards more personal home projects not requiring contractors or extensive work. In other words, for the upper class..
 

amdskip

Lifer
Jan 6, 2001
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I kinda like Menards. The layouts and some of the random products they sell are strange but they have pretty good prices. The newer stores have much better layouts.
 

Accipiter22

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Well I've never been to a Lowe's. My MOM has however, and here's what she said about it: "It's like home depot, except everything's clean, and neat"
 

BigJ

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Nov 18, 2001
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Originally posted by: herbiehancock
Well, Home Depot seems headed for terrible financial horizons ahead.

Last month Home Depot announced a whopping 28% decline in earnings for the fourth quarter. Even more striking, same-store sales were down 6.6% from the previous year. This had never happened before, not in all 28 years of company history. Once a growth darling, "the new Wal-Mart" and a stock that sold at twice the market multiple, Home Depot is now widely discussed as a potential private-equity buyout candidate because it earns 22% on shareholder equity and has lots of assets to hock. Today it sells at a below-market multiple of 14.4 and offers an above-average dividend yield of 2.2%.

Embattled CEO Robert Nardelli resigned nearly a month ago, and the company recently announced plans to hire more sales associates for its stores. But little has changed for investors.

For one thing, the company's management change wasn't radical enough. The board didn't go outside the company to find a person with years of retailing experience -- it elevated Frank Blake, a Nardelli hire and another former General Electric man. Though Blake will try to put his own stamp on the company, he was behind many of the moves that investors have questioned, most notably the move into construction supply. What Home Depot needed was a leader who understands retail and the customer experience. Blake isn't that man.

Maybe that's why the stock hasn't made much headway. It's possible Blake will prove the skeptics wrong by improving customer service, inventory management and store appeal, but there is nothing in his past to suggest that he possesses the skill set to accomplish those tasks.

There's no reason to invest your money on the hope that he will succeed.

Home Depot's stock has rebounded some 22% off its summer lows amid hopes that a bottom in the real estate market would translate into improved performance. Now you can't even make a compelling valuation argument for buying the stock at current levels. Home Depot currently sells at 14 times next year's estimated earnings of $2.88 per share. That might seem cheap until you realize that earnings over the next year are expected to climb by a scant 1.4%. By comparison, Lowe's trades at 15.8 times estimated earnings, with a growth rate of nearly 5%.

But I'd like to suggest a much bigger reason that Home Depot has become a troubled and unloved company. I call it time abuse.

Home Depot is a consistent abuser of its customers' time. Let me explain.

Back in 1990, when my wife and I loved Home Depot, the stores were staffed with well-trained, knowledgeable and helpful people. If you had a question, even a silly one, it was easy to find someone who knew the answer. Home Depot had an amazing inventory. It also had a staff that helped you access that inventory and make choices.

Though it didn't have employees waiting at the door, as do high-service stores such as Elliot's in Dallas and Big Jo in Santa Fe, you could make a purchase quickly at Home Depot.

But that was then.

Today, it is difficult to find a staff person at a Home Depot. Personally, I've left the store empty-handed after a hopeless wait. During one long wait shortly before Christmas, I commented to a worker that the store was so busy they must be getting lots of overtime.

"No way," the employee said.

My wife has gotten so frustrated waiting -- while trying to buy carpeting for an entire house -- that she has taken her business elsewhere.

I know we're not alone. One of my friends started to seethe when I mentioned Home Depot. He'll buy things almost anywhere, except Home Depot. He hates having his time abused.

That's what Home Depot does by short-staffing. It abuses our time. We can't get the help we need, and we can't make our purchases quickly. The result is that a once iconic, wonderfully American store has become an aggravation rather than a blessing.

Let's hope the board of directors at HD takes the time to learn what's obvious to ordinary people who do a lot for themselves and need to make good use of their time.

The solution is to add people to the payroll rather than reducing both.

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Linflas

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When Home Depot opened their first store in my town the place was incredible. Everything was in stock and all you had to do was appear to need help and some person appeared to help. Once they drove the local dominant chain, Hechingers, out of business they in effect became Hechingers. Items you need out of stock, no one available anywhere to help. I guess this will eventually happen to Lowes as well but for now they are winning my business because I can generally find someone when I need them and they have the items I need.
 

giantpinkbunnyhead

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Ever since Lowes botched a washer/dryer install and flooded the 2nd floor of my "just-got-done-being-built-two-days-ago" new house, I kinda haven't wanted to shop there any longer. Now I shop Home Depot or Ace Hardware for all my needs.
 

vi edit

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Oct 28, 1999
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For "like" items that I can get at any store, Menards is almost always the cheapest. Flooring, trim, doors, hardware, tools, ect. But they only have limited things and their isle layouts are horrible. I can deal with it to save 10% over what HD charges.

For everything else I usually hit HD simply because it's a mile down the road.
 

slsmnaz

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Mar 13, 2005
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How about neither? If I absolutely must, it's Lowes but even that is a quick stop. If you guys would search out your local wholesalers, you would find the prices and knowledge to be much more to your liking. There's a reason HD Supply is being sold off.
 
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I shop Lowes more frequently. I've also noticed a more friendly attitude at Lowe's. A new one opened just up the interstate from me about 3 months ago. Everytime I go in there, the employees are always saying hi and sh|t. I distinctly remember getting pissed one day because the fvckers wouldn't leave me alone :D. So that's gotta be a good thing.
 

Gooberlx2

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May 4, 2001
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There's a Lowes directly across the street from the Home Depot in my town. I've always found the prices and selection/variety of materials to be better at HD.
 

lokiju

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I voted for Home Depot for both but probably only because my brother in-law works there and always helps me with whatever I need.
 

Kelemvor

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Menards is the only place I will shop. Unless they don't carry something and I'm forced to go to Home Depot. I'd use Lowes first but that's a 20+ minute drive for me. Menards is about 8 and HD is about 13.

Home Depot it's impossible to ever fidn anyone to help you if you need something. Menards is better at that plus whenever they sell the same things, Menards is always cheaper.

I'd prefer Lowe's since I thnk they are higher quality but it's just too far to drive
 

49erinnc

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Depends on what I'm shopping for. I tend to use Home Depot more for outdoor or building projects. Anything involving landscaping, lumber, exterior upgrades or add ons. But I use Lowes more for interior projects because I feel they have more options when it comes to aesthetics and detail. I also prefer Lowes for everyday use purchases (light bulbs, cleaning supplies, etc.) because I just find their store to be cleaner, brighter and the shoppers tend to be more on par with Target shoppers whereas I see more Walmart shoppers at Home Depot. However, in my experience, the workers at home depot (especially in lumber) are far more knowledgeable and helpful than Lowes. There are some really dumb people working at Lowes, IMO.
 

OutHouse

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we have had a HD in my town for about 5 years. from the start i hated that store, the manager was a complete ass and the empolyees were rude, arragont and very unhelpful.

last oct a new Lowes just opened 2 blocks from the HD and i only go there now. very friendly, helpful and very nice employees. with my tax refund we bought a new BOSCH dishwasher at Lowes and the guy was awesome, he knew his dishwashers inside and out i know because i verified what he told me by doing a lot of googling when we got home. i went down the next day after my wife and I decided which one we wanted and bought it.

Lowes all the way.

the only time i expect to go back to HD is to get 2 5gallon buckets of BEHR stain to do my deck this spring.