Which linux would best serve our needs and my eccentricities/background?

GunsMadeAmericaFree

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Rather than just getting on here and asking "which Linux is best" like so many do, I thought I would give an overview of our current needs, my background and some of my 'eccentricities', and see what you guys recommend as a good match.

System: G3220 processor, 4 GB Ram, 2 TB HDD, Radeon 6570 video card, no Internet 99.999999% of the time

1) Our Needs
This is primarily meant to be an offline only game system for the kids. We mostly play casual games, with a few WWI dogfight & a number of strategy games like Heroes of Might and Magic, hex turn based wargames, etc. Since I don't have a Linux background, ease of installing games, and access to lots of games is a must. The kids would also want to watch videos, and we currently use VLC Media Player in Windows XP and 7.

2) My background
I got started with computers back in the early 80's with a TI 99/4a Home Computer, and was used to the menu system to access various programs. There were times when I couldn't quite figure out my math homework, but I could write a BASIC program on there that could solve it for me. I used a tape drive to save and load programs, and typed many programs in by hand on its rather crappy keyboard. In 1989 I got a 386 system with DOS, which I familiarized myself with. Although I upgraded the system several times, I stuck with DOS for my day to day use through about 1997 or 1998, when I finally installed Windows. For my email, I used pine for about 15 years, initially dialing in directly using Bananacom and later using SSH secure shell client to access the pine email through the Dayton Microcomputer Association. I spent a lot of time on BBS's and playing Legend of the Red Dragon, from the late 80's through the mid 90's.

At one point I was obsessed with getting as much on my tiny 80 megabyte hard drive as possible. I was using Quickmenu from Neosoft, (a shell system) then having the programs I launched decompressed on the fly when I launched them.

I did telephone tech support for a while with Systemax, got a comptia A+ certification, and I believe I've built around 8 or 9 PC's over the years. I tried installing Red Hat Linux back in the 90's and gave up on that. Tried installing Ubuntu about 6 or 7 years ago, but did not know anyone who knew or used Linux, & eventually gave up on that as well. Currently I do freelance writing for a magazine.

3) My eccentricities - or things I like and don't like

My current pet peeve is the fact that DMA switched to using Gmail for their email, after they shut dmapub down. All of those old pine keyboard shortcuts I had memorized became useless! I still find myself wanting to type the keyboard shortcuts sometimes when I'm in email. I hate Gmail, because I'll be logged in to my email in one window, then in another window I'll log in to my Google Blogger account, which will log me out of my email in the other window.

I also still think that a menu system (like my old TI 99/4a) would be preferable to Windows, since it is simple and doesn't use many system resources. I don't really see the need for a fancy graphical user interface, though I'll admit that most people (including myself now, I suppose) have gotten to the point where they expect it. Since I can't have my simple menu, instead at least I can organize program icons exactly the way I like...

Oh wait, Windows 7 only lets you do that on the desktop! Someone in their INFINITE wisdom decided that we no longer needed to organize icons or files any way we like in other folders that aren't on the desktop. When I set up a folder, I want to be able to drag the files or icons inside of it into any arrangement that I so desire. If I'm used to doing writing and always keeping the most recent file in the upper right hand corner of the folder, then I should be able to do that, and nobody should be able to tell me I can't do it that way. The OS should also remember where I put it last, and not try to "tidy up" or move it to where it thinks would be a better arrangement.

I used DOS for nearly 10 years, and so I guess I got pretty used to the text based environment, being able to use various parameters for search, etc. I'm not certain it would be superior to an intuitive and logically designed menu or graphical environment at this point, however.

I don't like things that change without advanced warning. I want things to stay the same unless I change them. I like to be able to customize things the way I like them.

I use handbrake often in Windows, and would probably do the same in Linux to compress files.

I often have the need to resize photos, so I have one of those "powertoys" installed that lets me right click on an image and resize it with a simple menu. I'd love to not only be able to do this, but to tell it the exact size of the resulting file, or even the pixels. (90x90, to create an icon, etc.)

I might also want to eventually hook up an older Canon LED USB scanner to the system, to scan in old documents and photos.

So I want ease of use up front, but might want to customize down the road. Any thoughts on what might be best in my situation? Thanks so much!
 

Elixer

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Most linux distros are pretty close in what they offer.
Some of them offer different defaults (default libs, default windows manager, how often they upgrade things, package repositories and so on), and that is when things get different.

The #1 problem with linux is still with device drivers. Be it for USB devices, or video cards, however, the video cards are much better these days, but still not as good as their windows counterparts yet.
That means, you need to hunt around to find drivers of the device in question, and lots of times, you will not find them, or, they work badly.

Ubuntu & mint are both based off debian.
Then you have openSUSE, and Fedorra (red hat), and from there, you got lots of other options. It just depends if you want to compile everything yourself, or you want the greatest 'ease of use', in that, everything is pretty much included.

Your best bet is either Mint or Ubuntu for ease of use, and they got large communities.

For games, Steam is on linux now, but, only a small subset of games are available compared to windows.
You can use things like Wine to run some windows games, and that works fairly well for some, but, not at all for others.

VLC also works in linux, so that isn't a problem, and the same with encoders, most of them work just fine.

It might be wise to make a dual boot setup, where you can keep win 7 around for those times you need it, and ease your way into working with linux.
 

Scarpozzi

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OpenSUSE is based off Slackware linux and SuSE was acquired by Novell in like 2003ish. Novell actually helped the distro by cutting a lot of the bloat out of it. (SUSE 7 or 8 had about as many installation CDs....and the shuffle to install took going from disc 1 to 2 to 3 to 2 to 5 to 4, etc...just depending on how the dependecies were structured on your software selection.) :p It's a much better distro now and they are the reason you can use Evolution with Mapi (Exchange server). They created it for Groupwise though originially.

Let Pine go. Email has moved to the web. Gmail offers organizations cheap or free Email and the mail storage, spam filtering, and backups come at a very high cost. Not everyone outsources it so easily, but even organizations with Exchange server are getting pulled by Microsoft to get Office365 licenses to provide MS Office and Exchange Email through Live.

Anything you choose, you'll need to learn. You can use wine to run Windows games, but my preference is to use Oracle VirtualBox and install games in their native OS. (have a game written for Windows95 that won't run well on Vista or 7? Go ahead and install Win95 in a VM and run it when you need it. Running things in Wine when you don't have to will save you glitches, freezes, and crashes. If you're not running network games, you can make VMs that have no network adapters and use appropriate RAM amounts. You can also save copies of the VMs in hidden directories so if the kids mess them up you can quickly recover/restore without burning time. (only at the cost of hard drive space)

I'm currently running Xubuntu and like it ok. I've only had a few hardware snags and am still working it out. I've run OpenSUSE, CentOS, RedHat, Fedora, and a few smaller distros of linux in the past. I feel like Ubuntu is doing a pretty good job of making a decent desktop experience. It's just a question on what distro you like and how well you can get what you need installed and working.

I suggest downloading live cds of Xubuntu, Kubuntu, OpenSUSE, and maybe Fedora and see which you like the best.
 

lxskllr

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Sounds like you'd get on well with a tiling window manager. Problem is they aren't very n00b friendly, and can have a bit of a learning curve, as well taking time to setup. I'd start with something like Xubuntu, and then do some reading on on various window managers. You can then install some to try, and choose which environment you get when you login. That way you can experiment and break stuff, but still get back to something familiar you can work with.

I use Thunderbird for mail. I hate webmail, and only use it for emergencies.

There's lots of games for GNU/Linux, and many of them are fun, but you won't get nearly the variety you have on Windows. Hacking around in Wine can get some to play nicely, but it's not a PnP experience like you get with Windows. My suggestion is to stick with GNU/Linux native games as much as possible. Support the devs that support you.

Checkout reddit, especially the sidebar. That'll give an overview of what's available, and you can get a feel of what different distros and environments offer. Especially checkout UnixPorn. Tiling managers are favorite there, you can see what they look like.

https://pay.reddit.com/r/linux
 

Yamada

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Standard answer found on every noob 'nix forum - check out distrowatch, download some ISO's, burn some discs, try a bunch in live.
 

lakedude

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Standard answer found on every noob 'nix forum - check out distrowatch, download some ISO's, burn some discs, try a bunch in live.
Best answer ever.

Everyone seems to have their own reasons for preferring a particular distro some of which escape me completely. Best thing to do is to try a few and decide for yourself. They are free after all.

I'd like to make a plug for Puppy Linux or Fat Dog 64. Their advantage is that they are small so they load completely to RAM which makes very them fast (likes a poor man's SSD). They have plenty of features in spite of their small size.
 

SammichPG

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You sound like someone who would love using a tiling wm, but they aren't very friendly to beginners.

I think a good match for your needs woul be a LTS release of xubuntu or try the upcoming (will be released in april) 14.04 LTS from lubuntu, they use the same software repositories but they differ in the desktop environments that each distro uses (lxde and xfce).

Stay away from non LTS versions, they are dropped after 9 months forcing you to deal with distro upgrades that can go wrong and are less polished.

LTS distros come with software that ages, but you're always a PPA away from the latest open office version while keeping a stable base.

Give a look to play on linux, it supports several games and offers an easy gui. (some games might not work).

You'll need to move your computer to some place with internet connection once in a while, under linux every program installation is done through a package manager that downloads and deals with the install. There are .deb packages that work somewhat like a .exe installer, but you really want to use the online repositories unless you know what are you doing.
 

ultimatebob

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The lack of Windows gaming support is probably a deal breaker, but I'd try Ubuntu or Mint first.
 

sao123

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The lack of Windows gaming support is probably a deal breaker, but I'd try Ubuntu or Mint first.

im trying out Mint 16 for the first time, with Mate (not cinnamon) and the Wine lets me play most of my older games which I can no longer play on Windows 7/8. So far, I kinda like it, maybe eventually I can switch to it as a full time machine rather than just my spare laptop.
 

SwampDog35

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Was thinking about installing Zorin on one of my netbooks.

I have Ubuntu running on one pretty smooth.
 

FrankRamiro

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I'm running Ubuntu 14.04 beta1 in an INTEL I5 with
Gnome Flashback (Metacity)and Xubuntu 14.04 beta with XFCE in a P4 and so far all is great.
 

gus6464

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Try all kinds of distros and see which tickles your fancy. Case in point at work we use openSUSE for our servers and I use the same at home. For consumption use I actually prefer Mint.