Which is the the more dangerous psychopath: The Super State or the Enterprise?

Dari

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The lunatic you work for

If the corporation were a person, would that person be a psychopath?

TO THE anti-globalisers, the corporation is a devilish instrument of environmental destruction, class oppression and imperial conquest. But is it also pathologically insane? That is the provocative conclusion of an award-winning documentary film, called ?The Corporation?, coming soon to a cinema near you. People on both sides of the globalisation debate should pay attention. Unlike much of the soggy thinking peddled by too many anti-globalisers, ?The Corporation? is a surprisingly rational and coherent attack on capitalism's most important institution.

It begins with a potted history of the company's legal form in America, noting the key 19th-century legal innovation that led to treating companies as persons under law. By bestowing on them the rights and protections that people enjoy, this legal innovation gave the company the freedom to flourish. So if the corporation is a person, ask the film's three Canadian co-creators, Mark Achbar, Joel Bakan and Jennifer Abbott, what sort of person is it?

The answer, elicited over two-and-a-half hours of interviews with left-wing intellectuals, right-wing captains of industry, economists, psychologists and philosophers, is that the corporation is a psychopath. Like all psychopaths, the firm is singularly self-interested: its purpose is to create wealth for its shareholders. And, like all psychopaths, the firm is irresponsible, because it puts others at risk to satisfy its profit-maximising goal, harming employees and customers, and damaging the environment. The corporation manipulates everything. It is grandiose, always insisting that it is the best, or number one. It has no empathy, refuses to accept responsibility for its actions and feels no remorse. It relates to others only superficially, via make-believe versions of itself manufactured by public-relations consultants and marketing men. In short, if the metaphor of the firm as person is a valid one, then the corporation is clinically insane.

There is a tendency among anti-globalisers to demonise captains of industry. But according to ?The Corporation?, the problem with companies does not lie with the people who run them. Sir Mark Moody-Stuart, a former boss of Shell, comes across in the film as a sympathetic and human character. At one point, he and his wife greet protesters camped on the front lawn of their English cottage with offers of a cup of tea and apologies for the lack of soya milk for the vegans among them. The film gives Sam Gibara, boss of Goodyear, time to air his opinions, which are given a reasonably neutral edit. Ray Anderson, boss of Interface (which claims, with psychopathic grandiosity, to be the world's largest commercial carpetmaker) is given the hero treatment. Having experienced an ?epiphany? about the destructive and unsustainable nature of modern capitalism, Mr Anderson has donned the preacher's cloth to spread the religion of environmental sustainability among his peers.

The main message of the film is that, through their psychopathic pursuit of profit, firms make good people do bad things. Lucy Hughes of Initiative Media, an advertising consultancy, is shown musing about the ethics of designing marketing strategies that exploit the tendency of children to nag parents to buy things, before comforting herself with the thought that she is merely performing her proper role in society. Mark Barry, a ?competitive intelligence professional?, disguises himself as a headhunter to extract information for his corporate clients from rivals, while telling the camera that he would never behave so deceitfully in his private life. Human values and morality survive the onslaught of corporate pathology only via a carefully cultivated schizophrenia: the tobacco boss goes home, hugs his kids and feels a little less bad about spreading cancer. Company executives and foot soldiers alike will identify instantly with this analysis, because it is accurate. But it is also incomplete.

The greater insanity

Although the moviemakers claim ownership of the company-as-psychopath idea, it predates them by a century, and rightfully belongs, in its full form, to Max Weber, the German sociologist. For Weber, the key form of social organisation defining the modern age was bureaucracy. Bureaucracies have flourished because their efficient and rational division and application of labour is powerful. But a cost attends this power. As cogs in a larger, purposeful machine, people become alienated from the traditional morals that guide human relationships as they pursue the goal of the collective organisation. There is, in Weber's famous phrase, a ?parcelling-out of the soul?.

For Weber, the greater potential tyranny lay not with the economic bureaucracies of capitalism, but the state bureaucracies of socialism. The psychopathic national socialism of Nazi Germany, communism of Stalinist Soviet rule and fascism of imperial Japan (whose oppressive bureaucratic machinery has survived well into the modern era) surely bear Weber out. Infinitely more powerful than firms and far less accountable for its actions, the modern state has the capacity to behave even in evolved western democracies as a more dangerous psychopath than any corporation can ever hope to become: witness the environmental destruction wreaked by Japan's construction ministry.

The makers of ?The Corporation? counter that the state was not the subject of their film. Fair point. But they have done more than produce a thought-provoking account of the firm. Their film also invites its audience to weigh up the benefits of privatisation versus public ownership. It dwells on the familiar problem of the corporate corruption of politics and regulatory agencies that weakens public oversight of privately owned firms charged with delivering public goods. But that is only half the story. The film has nothing to say about the immense damage that can also flow from state ownership. Instead, there is a misty-eyed alignment of the state with the public interest. Run that one past the people of, say, North Korea.
 

Dari

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IMHO, this proves that not all psychopaths are bad. Some can be rewarding in their own right and to the general benefit of the human endeavour.
 

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Originally posted by: Dari
interviews with left-wing intellectuals, right-wing captains of industry,

Did they interview any right-wing intellectuals or left-wing captains of industry?
 

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People put in the decision making spot, will not always make decisions based on the greater good, but rather the immediate gratification that can be gained for an individual, or small group. To anthropomorphise the corporation, is to continue to view it as a human, and expect it to react as a human, when it is only a human construct used to attain goals as determined by it's governing body. Some companies try very hard to do the best they can, but I feel that most of the large/global corporations act only to improve their bottom line, and present an image that will keep them in the good graces of the consumer. They are more of a programed robot, than a psychopath. The true psychopath is the programmer.
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: arcitech2
People put in the decision making spot, will not always make decisions based on the greater good, but rather the immediate gratification that can be gained for an individual, or small group. To anthropomorphise the corporation, is to continue to view it as a human, and expect it to react as a human, when it is only a human construct used to attain goals as determined by it's governing body. Some companies try very hard to do the best they can, but I feel that most of the large/global corporations act only to improve their bottom line, and present an image that will keep them in the good graces of the consumer. They are more of a programed robot, than a psychopath. The true psychopath is the programmer.

Aren't the programmers, as the article states, the leaders of the corporation? Nevertheless, once out of the machinery, they act as normal, caring human beings. Furthermore, don't corporations exist out of want? Hence, they provide a greater good to the human environment, nevermind the path it took.
 

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The problem with this article is that one of the implied premises is that there exists such a thing as "collective action". The Austrian Economists such as Ludwig von Mises and Murray Rothbard are quick to point out that there is no such thing as "collective action."

The first truth to be discovered about human action is that it can be undertaken only by individual ?actors.? Only individuals have ends and can act to attain them. There are no such things as ends of or actions by ?groups,? ?collectives,? or ?States,? which do not take place as actions by various specific individuals. ?Societies? or ?groups? have no independent exist­ence aside from the actions of their individual members. Thus, to say that ?governments? act is merely a metaphor; actually, certain individuals are in a certain relationship with other in­dividuals and act in a way that they and the other individuals recognize as ?governmental.?[6] The metaphor must not be taken to mean that the collective institution itself has any reality apart from the acts of various individuals. Similarly, an individual may contract to act as an agent in representing another individual or on behalf of his family. Still, only individuals can desire and act. The existence of an institution such as government becomes meaningful only through influencing the actions of those indi­viduals who are and those who are not considered as members.[7]

From Murray Rothbard's Man, Economy, & State

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Therefore, it is inaccurate to say that corporations are psychopathic, because a corporation cannot attain the qualities of a human, or act. There certainly could be pyschopathic individuals in a corporation, acting on behalf of that corporation metaphorically, but if there were then we would say those individuals are psycopathic, not the corporation.

The same goes for a government or state. A government or state is not psychopathic, only individuals within that group are or can be.

An Austrian Economist would say that the intial question of the article: "If the corporation were a person, would that person be a psychopath?" is inane because a corporation can't be a person, and it is ludicrous to contemplate this idea.
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: Dissipate
The problem with this article is that one of the implied premises is that there exists such a thing as "collective action". The Austrian Economists such as Ludwig von Mises and Murray Rothbard are quick to point out that there is no such thing as "collective action."

The first truth to be discovered about human action is that it can be undertaken only by individual ?actors.? Only individuals have ends and can act to attain them. There are no such things as ends of or actions by ?groups,? ?collectives,? or ?States,? which do not take place as actions by various specific individuals. ?Societies? or ?groups? have no independent exist­ence aside from the actions of their individual members. Thus, to say that ?governments? act is merely a metaphor; actually, certain individuals are in a certain relationship with other in­dividuals and act in a way that they and the other individuals recognize as ?governmental.?[6] The metaphor must not be taken to mean that the collective institution itself has any reality apart from the acts of various individuals. Similarly, an individual may contract to act as an agent in representing another individual or on behalf of his family. Still, only individuals can desire and act. The existence of an institution such as government becomes meaningful only through influencing the actions of those indi­viduals who are and those who are not considered as members.[7]

From Murray Rothbard's Man, Economy, & State

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Therefore, it is inaccurate to say that corporations are psychopathic, because a corporation cannot attain the qualities of a human, or act. There certainly could be pyschopathic individuals in a corporation, acting on behalf of that corporation metaphorically, but if there were then we would say those individuals are psycopathic, not the corporation.

The same goes for a government or state. A government or state is not psychopathic, only individuals within that group are or can be.

An Austrian Economist would say that the intial question of the article: "If the corporation were a person, would that person be a psychopath?" is inane because a corporation can't be a person, and it is ludicrous to contemplate this idea.

The premise that you doubt is the one in which the authors use as a starting point in their documentary. In fact, the premise is based on American corporate law giving the corporation the same rights as a human being. Hence, moving on, they based their story on the "human qualifications" of the enterprise.
 

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Originally posted by: Dissipate
The problem with this article is that one of the implied premises is that there exists such a thing as "collective action". The Austrian Economists such as Ludwig von Mises and Murray Rothbard are quick to point out that there is no such thing as "collective action."

The first truth to be discovered about human action is that it can be undertaken only by individual ?actors.? Only individuals have ends and can act to attain them. There are no such things as ends of or actions by ?groups,? ?collectives,? or ?States,? which do not take place as actions by various specific individuals. ?Societies? or ?groups? have no independent exist­ence aside from the actions of their individual members. Thus, to say that ?governments? act is merely a metaphor; actually, certain individuals are in a certain relationship with other in­dividuals and act in a way that they and the other individuals recognize as ?governmental.?[6] The metaphor must not be taken to mean that the collective institution itself has any reality apart from the acts of various individuals. Similarly, an individual may contract to act as an agent in representing another individual or on behalf of his family. Still, only individuals can desire and act. The existence of an institution such as government becomes meaningful only through influencing the actions of those indi­viduals who are and those who are not considered as members.[7]

From Murray Rothbard's Man, Economy, & State

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Therefore, it is inaccurate to say that corporations are psychopathic, because a corporation cannot attain the qualities of a human, or act. There certainly could be pyschopathic individuals in a corporation, acting on behalf of that corporation metaphorically, but if there were then we would say those individuals are psycopathic, not the corporation.

The same goes for a government or state. A government or state is not psychopathic, only individuals within that group are or can be.

An Austrian Economist would say that the intial question of the article: "If the corporation were a person, would that person be a psychopath?" is inane because a corporation can't be a person, and it is ludicrous to contemplate this idea.

While this is an interesting thesis, I don't see what its relevance is here. It seems to me that we can as easily say that the corporation is a reflection of the mentality of those who created the rules for its existance. If the people who make the rules created a frankenstein monster, it will be because the corporation by its structure makes men act like frankenstein. Garbage in garbage out as it were. What I find curious about Dari's article is that it never refutes the original thesis but simply points to another supposedly greater evil. That a government can become corrupt is no reason to deny corporate evil. Also, our government is increasingly under the control of corporations becoming more and more the same thing. There were two great evils done to America. One was to declare corporations immortal humans and the other to say that money is speech. These two things toll the end of our democracy. Corporate media controls the message and money buys the vote.
 

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Dissipate
The problem with this article is that one of the implied premises is that there exists such a thing as "collective action". The Austrian Economists such as Ludwig von Mises and Murray Rothbard are quick to point out that there is no such thing as "collective action."

The first truth to be discovered about human action is that it can be undertaken only by individual ?actors.? Only individuals have ends and can act to attain them. There are no such things as ends of or actions by ?groups,? ?collectives,? or ?States,? which do not take place as actions by various specific individuals. ?Societies? or ?groups? have no independent exist­ence aside from the actions of their individual members. Thus, to say that ?governments? act is merely a metaphor; actually, certain individuals are in a certain relationship with other in­dividuals and act in a way that they and the other individuals recognize as ?governmental.?[6] The metaphor must not be taken to mean that the collective institution itself has any reality apart from the acts of various individuals. Similarly, an individual may contract to act as an agent in representing another individual or on behalf of his family. Still, only individuals can desire and act. The existence of an institution such as government becomes meaningful only through influencing the actions of those indi­viduals who are and those who are not considered as members.[7]

From Murray Rothbard's Man, Economy, & State

Link

Therefore, it is inaccurate to say that corporations are psychopathic, because a corporation cannot attain the qualities of a human, or act. There certainly could be pyschopathic individuals in a corporation, acting on behalf of that corporation metaphorically, but if there were then we would say those individuals are psycopathic, not the corporation.

The same goes for a government or state. A government or state is not psychopathic, only individuals within that group are or can be.

An Austrian Economist would say that the intial question of the article: "If the corporation were a person, would that person be a psychopath?" is inane because a corporation can't be a person, and it is ludicrous to contemplate this idea.

While this is an interesting thesis, I don't see what its relevance is here. It seems to me that we can as easily say that the corporation is a reflection of the mentality of those who created the rules for its existance. If the people who make the rules created a frankenstein monster, it will be because the corporation by its structure makes men act like frankenstein. Garbage in garbage out as it were. What I find curious about Dari's article is that it never refutes the original thesis but simply points to another supposedly greater evil. That a government can become corrupt is no reason to deny corporate evil. Also, our government is increasingly under the control of corporations becoming more and more the same thing. There were two great evils done to America. One was to declare corporations immortal humans and the other to say that money is speech. These two things toll the end of our democracy. Corporate media controls the message and money buys the vote.

There is a distinct difference between a "psychopathic" corporation and a "psychopathic" state. A "psychopathic" corporation can only exist through voluntary exchanges. If one believes that a corporation is "psychopathic" and they wish to cease purchasing that corporations products or if they wish to cease working for that corporation they can, and there is nothing the corporation can do about it. The corporation could launch a huge ad campaign, perhaps even drive through the streets blasting propaganda on bullhorns, but if no one buys its products, the corporation goes down the drain.

Heck, if someone came to the conclusion that all corporations are inherently evil they could go out to the middle of nowhere and live the rest of their life not buying a single product from a corporation ever again. Thereby reducing the corporation's power over them.

The state on the other hand is a whole different animal. For the state has the power to force citizens to maintain an involuntary relationship. The state can forcibly extract wealth, conscript and enact regulations.

If you go out to the middle of nowhere and try to escape all bureaucracy, your plan will fail, you will probably end up having to still file income taxes, pay FICA and if you are a male of the correct age you are still subject to conscription.

For this reason I would rather have psychopaths running corporations than in the government. Unfortunately, there are psychopaths in both sectors. Fortunately, the psychopaths in the corporations often end up shooting themselves in the foot, just look at the Enron scandal. Unfortunately, psychopaths in the government are here to stay.