Which is the more powerfull server?

[Chad]

A quad CPU 700MHz (100 FSB) Xeon setup w/ 2mb cache on each CPU

or...

A dual CPU 1.13GHz (133 FSB) PIII setup w/ 512k cache on each CPU

The server will be running WebLogic 6 Application Server (which is also a web server).

Everything else in each system is relatively the same.

Which should we chose and why?

 

[boran]

Well I dunno .. it depends for what you are going to use it ...

but if it is webserving I would go for the xeons .. cous the MP of athlon is fairly new and needs its faults an bugs to be ironed out ...

so if you want it to be a webserv I would go for the quad xeon they are the reliable and proven power ....


but if it is for CAD processing then the Athlons will outperform the Xeons (because of the powerfull FPU cpabilities of the athlons)
so if you want to do some CAD with it I reccomend athlon ...

 

[dowxp]

quad xeon of course. =)

 

[clockhar]

<<
but if it is for CAD processing then the Athlons will outperform the Xeons (because of the powerfull FPU cpabilities of the athlons)
so if you want to do some CAD with it I reccomend athlon ... >>




But he didn't say Athlons. Just a 'vanilla' PIII vs. Xeons. .... But, personally, I don't know much about the specifics of what a webserver needs. But, I'd go for the brute power of the Xeons. So what if they are 400 mhz slower. They are Xeons w/ 2mb of on die L2 cache. That is beautiful. ... you might want to check out one of anand's reviews of his site's upgrades and why he chooses some of his system's components.

 

[Czar]

The Xeons..... if you choose the PIII system... how much for the xeons?

 

[Xanathar]

Where are you finding P3 1.13Ghz with 512K cache?

 

[Train]

but the size of the data to be served up comes into play if you notice the 33mhz difference in Bus speeds, if its a static multimedia server, 133mhz bus will help, and the cache wont, save your dough and go P3

But on the other hand, If your running DB queries, the Cache is very handy and will more than make up the 33mhz bus speed loss to the RAM and HDD's

Webserving is kinda of an inbetween, the more static documents, the better the P3's, the more Dynamic content/calculations, etc, the better the Xeons.

If i had an accurate description of the application to be run on the server i could give a better recomendation

 

[Train]

<< Where are you finding P3 1.13Ghz with 512K cache? >>

Whoa I almost missed that, very good question, and id like to know as well, even though im guessing its a mistake

 

[Rogue]

For web serving, I'd probably choose the P3's. Web serving doesn't really require a lot of processor power. Get the P3's and spend the rest on memory since web servers like to load as much as they can into memory.

 

[SocrPlyr]

for those asking about the p3 1.13GHz i don't believe this chip is out yet but it has been seen on intel's webpages as being a server chip... it is obviously a tualatin part w/ 512KB of cache like the notebook part(if i am remembering correctly)... it is considered a server chip i believe and therefore will carry a price tag similar to that of the old p3 xeons...

just my ignorance... hope i remembered that right...

Josh

 

[SCSIRAID]

I would favor the 2way system My reasoning would be that the higher clock rate per processor plus the greater memory bandwidth available (total and per processor) would yield higher performance. Diminishing returns would apply for more than two processors especially in the light of only 100Mhz FSB speeds. The ability of the app to multithread should be a consideration which I cant comment on.

 

[Helznicht]

&quot;The ability of the app to multithread should be a consideration&quot;

I agree with this. The more web services you run the more the Xeons are going to show thier value.

So a low load would perform better on the P3 systems where a higher load would run quicker on the Xeons.

Where the line is drawn in the sand though, I cant help ya with. Sorry

 

[samgau]

My guess is that the quad xeom will offer a more robust platform compared to the dual piii... I have a dual piii 500 and a dual xeon 800... and i prefer the dual xeon..

 

[Blastman]

Dell is already showing P3 1.13 server Tualatins ?

 

[Chad]

Blastman is right, this is the Dell server.

The P3's are cheaper.

Like I said also, this server will run WebLogic 6 Application Server almost exclusively.

 

[dhslammer]

quad CPU 700MHz (100 FSB) Xeon setup w/ 2mb cache on each CPU for running multiple apps on the server such as IIS, SQL, mail, etc. Youll see a huge performance difference with more on die cache when doing proc intensive stuffs like SQL or cold fusion.

 

[dhslammer]

<< Where are you finding P3 1.13Ghz with 512K cache? >>

The new P3 Tualatins if im not mistaken

 

[TunaBoo]

I bet the dual p3's would beat the XEONS. The gain after the first proc is like 20-50% on the 2nd (depends on use). The more porcs, the less gain no matter what (bus limitations, keeping track of all the data, etc).

SMP Athlon would be da bombdingity, but dual P3's would be 2nd

 

[Chad]

The ONLY thing that will ever run on it is WebLogic 6. We have a database server already that runs Oracle and we have like 6 other servers that do various things for us. This is ONLY for WebLogic 6 and that is all we will ever run on it.

So, with this known, are you all saying go the P3 route?