which is the firebase that was nearly sacked in vietnam?

Walleye

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where we rounded up a 60 to 1 kill ratio on the vietcong?

i was just talking to a helicopter pilot from that...

and i forgot the base name...


2000 vietcong against 60 US soldiers...
 

ThePresence

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Wasn't just one firebase, dude. This happened plenty of times. Well, maybe not that ratio, but not far off.
 

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Originally posted by: Walleye
and nobody knows...

I suspect you might be refering to the siege at Khe Sanh. If so, your numbers are a bit off (but probably not the kill ratio you mentioned).

Khe Sanh had been garrisoned by Americans since 1962. General William Westmoreland, commander of U.S. forces in Vietnam, felt maintaining a presence at Khe Sanh was critically important. It served as a patrol base for interdiction of the Ho Chi Minh Trail, as the western terminus for the defensive line along the Demilitarized Zone (DMZ), and as a barrier to Communist efforts to carry the fighting into the populated coastal regions of South Vietnam. By early 1968, 6,000 Marines at Khe Sanh were surrounded by 20,000 North Vietnamese troops. The siege began on January 21, 1968. In a report dated February 18, the New York Times explained the importance of Khe Sanh, noting that this area in northwest South Vietnam provided a base for allied operations against the infiltration by the Communists of men and supplies into the south. After the North Vietnamese Army (NVA) surrounded the Marine position at Khe Sanh, allied forces were unable to inhibit this infiltration; it became too dangerous for the Marines to leave their base in sufficient numbers to greatly affect the movement of enemy forces. Although that situation may have reduced the strategic value of Khe Sanh in any conventional sense of the word, American military commanders believed the United States would suffer a heavy psychological blow if they retreated from Khe Sanh.

Unlike the Americans, the North Vietnamese were unable to hold fixed positions due to the efficacy of allied firepower. As a result, the Communists concentrated on harassing and disrupting allied forces. The American military command concluded that the only way to stop the disruption was to destroy enemy forces in sufficient numbers. The American commanders hoped that at Khe Sanh they would be able to kill enemy troops in a ratio of 10 to 1, 20 to 1, or even 30 to 1. The Americans clung to their belief in the value of a positive kill ratio in face of compelling evidence showing they were mostly unable to achieve it.

Bill
 

Walleye

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Originally posted by: bsobel
Originally posted by: Walleye
and nobody knows...

I suspect you might be refering to the siege at Khe Sanh. If so, your numbers are a bit off (but probably not the kill ratio you mentioned).

Khe Sanh had been garrisoned by Americans since 1962. General William Westmoreland, commander of U.S. forces in Vietnam, felt maintaining a presence at Khe Sanh was critically important. It served as a patrol base for interdiction of the Ho Chi Minh Trail, as the western terminus for the defensive line along the Demilitarized Zone (DMZ), and as a barrier to Communist efforts to carry the fighting into the populated coastal regions of South Vietnam. By early 1968, 6,000 Marines at Khe Sanh were surrounded by 20,000 North Vietnamese troops. The siege began on January 21, 1968. In a report dated February 18, the New York Times explained the importance of Khe Sanh, noting that this area in northwest South Vietnam provided a base for allied operations against the infiltration by the Communists of men and supplies into the south. After the North Vietnamese Army (NVA) surrounded the Marine position at Khe Sanh, allied forces were unable to inhibit this infiltration; it became too dangerous for the Marines to leave their base in sufficient numbers to greatly affect the movement of enemy forces. Although that situation may have reduced the strategic value of Khe Sanh in any conventional sense of the word, American military commanders believed the United States would suffer a heavy psychological blow if they retreated from Khe Sanh.

Unlike the Americans, the North Vietnamese were unable to hold fixed positions due to the efficacy of allied firepower. As a result, the Communists concentrated on harassing and disrupting allied forces. The American military command concluded that the only way to stop the disruption was to destroy enemy forces in sufficient numbers. The American commanders hoped that at Khe Sanh they would be able to kill enemy troops in a ratio of 10 to 1, 20 to 1, or even 30 to 1. The Americans clung to their belief in the value of a positive kill ratio in face of compelling evidence showing they were mostly unable to achieve it.

Bill

no, i know what i heard from this guy... in his words, "2000 gooks came at us..."

he flew a helicopter, a h1-b, and he would drop phosphor flares into the jungle to light em up... he would fly munitions to the base...



this was an extremely small base, i think.
 

Aceshigh

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I saw the siege you are talking about in a tv show on CBS back in the 80's called "Tour of Duty". It was a drama but sometimes referenced factual events.

It was a damn good show. Don't know the name of the base though.
 

AndrewR

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The Military Book Club just offered a book on Khe Sanh which I am probably going to buy. Weird situation -- 77 days of exceptional violent combat, and the Viets finally withdrew. No one really knows how many we killed there. Not too long after, we pick up and leave as well.

Strange war.
 

cerebusPu

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this reminds me of the movie "we were soldiers"

we had maybe 200 men against 2000 vietcong.

it was landing zone xray in some valley. dont think it was a firebase though.
 

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Originally posted by: cerebusPu
this reminds me of the movie "we were soldiers"

we had maybe 200 men against 2000 vietcong.

it was landing zone xray in some valley. dont think it was a firebase though.

400 against an entire division. :)
 
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Originally posted by: Aceshigh
I saw the siege you are talking about in a tv show on CBS back in the 80's called "Tour of Duty". It was a drama but sometimes referenced factual events.

It was a damn good show. Don't know the name of the base though.

This is still shown on TNT or TNN or sumping. Can't remember the exact station, but one of Turner's.