which is more intelligent an NJ or an SP?

Who is smarter?

  • NJs

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Anarchist420

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it is said that there is a rule that all intuitives are smarter than all sensing types. but i dont think that is true because Js are very close minded and STPs actually cover more bases as well as make less error (for example, STP Theodore Roosevelt's writings are much more eloquent and have fewer things that needed to be corrected or which turned out to be wrong vs. STJ Wilson's writings; ESTP Andrew Jackson was also a more eloquent writer than NTJ Grant was).

and all perceiving types are more independent than all J types, because J types rely on someone already existing to have feelings for or to think about. and then SPs michael jackson and trent reznor, for two examples, have actually made real contributions to the world unlike NJs John Adams, Ben Bernanke, John Quincy Adams, or Alexander Hamilton have... the only achievements of the latter five actually were really only self-serving ("hey, look at me, i was the first treasury secretary"), very short term (like QE from Ben Bernanke and jq adams' attempts to weaken the institution of slavery while actually winding up freeing one person who would enslave several more), something the vast majority of society was opposed to (hamilton and the Constitution), and/or basically recycling of waste. and ESPs are usually good company, certainly more fun to be around with than Js like me (more people would rather be stranded on an island with bill clinton while no one would want to be stranded on an island with me).

then there is no comparison between an NJ and an NP as the NP is smarter every time (e.g., an INTJ friend of mine wanted to become a programmer but he was more focused on the prestige of getting a Ph. D while INTP John Carmack never wanted to go to college... the latter could teach himself, which means he had higher fluid intelligence, while the former simply had to go by what was already established in order to accomplish anything). finally, INTPs and INFPs know how to live in their own world, while ENTPs and ENFPs just know how to find help and they usually can but Js are reliant on established structure.

and the problem that we are facing is the fact that Ps make up about 3/7 of the population, yet they are forced to go to structured school when it hurts them. compulsory education cant help anyone advance the world because the Js cant make anything new and because all mentally retarded people are Js.

so given all that, can we conclude that the Ps are the producers and that the Js are advanced by centralization and concentration of power? dont you believe that the average IQ of all SPs is higher than that of all J types?

anyway, i am sorry for another MBTI thread, but i wanted input from people at AT on this topic.
 

Drako

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LOL, why does one have to be "more intelligent"? It's a personality type, not and IQ test. :biggrin:

Oh, and there are published studies on this that indicate NPs are the smartest. :|
 
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tortillasoup

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People with high intelligence have a tendency toward having certain personality traits. Correlation != causation but there is a relation between the two.
 

HendrixFan

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NJs have a different kind of intelligence than SPs and vice versa. One isn't smarter than the other, per se, they just have strengths in different areas.

NJs will be natural planners and more structured in their lifestyle and choices. SPs are free form and willing to go with the flow. A very intelligent NJ will be the type that conforms the world to them. The very intelligent SP will take advantage of all opportunities as they present themselves.
 

Zeze

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Intelligence means nothing if there's no produced result for it.

Remember that douchebag who's got the highest IQ score? Let's even assume he's indeed the smartest man.

He has awful sh*tty personality and accomplished nothing in his life (freakin' construction worker).

Compare that to someone like Bill Gates or even your typical small biz CEO- they accomplished FAR more in their life.

You can be booksmart all you want like a typical INTJ, but you are worthless if you lack even an ounce of social skills. Even a smart group full of INTJ- the person with better personality/likability/agreeability will rise as the leader & get stuff done.
 

88keys

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Intelligence and personality are two different things. I've actually dabbled into the Meyers brings myself and I think you're misunderstanding something.

From what I have gathered, I think the that the difference between any of these personality types have to do with how you 'perceive' and interact with the world.

I've know plenty of intelligent people who don't have a creative bone in their body. I have also encountered some people of seemingly average intelligence who are very creative and resourceful.
 

IronWing

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If I could learn only three things in life, the answer to this question wouldn't be one of them.
 

Majcric

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If I could learn only three things in life, the answer to this question wouldn't be one of them.

LMAO,
If I was offered all the knowledge known to man in a single lifetime, I'd leave the answer to this out.
 

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From what I have gathered, I think the that the difference between any of these personality types have to do with how you 'perceive' and interact with the world.
well, if you interact with the outside world/make decisions by looking for trying to find a flaw in a given system (when one may not exist) which is what all TJs do, then you cant be as smart as someone who sees the outside world in more than one way. and that is because if you see multiple possibilities like NPs do, then that definitely gets you more points on IQ subtests like block design and similarities (both require outside the box reasoning and that is what extraverted intuition is). psychiatrists tend to be NJs and they just tell me "you're having delusions" or "you're having flight of thought" without exploring it. they just see it that one way and they dont even realize that they really arent advancing society by using resources like the DSM that was compiled by people other than them.
ben bernanke is an INTJ, and he was wrong about whether QE would work. ron paul is an INFJ and he certainly didnt see the constitution as anything other than an instrument that would protect liberty. Rand Paul is an INTJ and he comes up with few, if any new solutions (which indicates not the best problem solving ability). dick cheney is an ENTJ and it seems to me like it has never occurred to him that "national security" cant last forever or that there are other ways to not get killed by "terrorists" than to put boots on the ground everywhere... people who are always preoccupied with "national security" and controlling things cant be all that smart. Ben Franklin, Jefferson, John Carmack, and Einstein are NTPs and we know they all have IQs more than 4 standard deviations above average. I have noticed that NPs are just mentally quicker than any other types.

so in order to do well on a fluid intelligence test, you need to have good outside the box reasoning which is what extraverted intuition is. an NP will grasp everything pretty quickly, whereas an NJ will only have a few specialities.

I've know plenty of intelligent people who don't have a creative bone in their body. I have also encountered some people of seemingly average intelligence who are very creative and resourceful.
intelligence is required for creativity, because we dont know of any famous inventors with IQs below 115 for sure. it seems like it follows that as fluid intelligence goes up, creativity goes up.
thank you:)
 

HendrixFan

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You seem to be mixing standard clustering for the Myers Briggs types. TJ and NP aren't common because they cross the four main boundaries. NT/NF and SP/SJ are the clusterings. The NT/NF pair are great at abstract reasoning by nature and the SP/SJ pair are great at concrete thought by nature.

Any personality type will have innate strengths that they gravitate to because of how they are hardwired. At the same time anyone is capable of recognizing weaknesses and addressing those. To say that an INTJ is incapable of certain things fails to recognize how these definitions work.

I got the Please Understand Me book for my brother over a year ago. He came back recently guessing that I was an ESTP. I am an INTJ, and I score over 90% on three of those traits. But because I have spent so much time and effort addressing my weaknesses my brother pegged me nearly as the exact opposite as I am. It is worth noting that I lives halfway around the world and I don't see him much. When I do I'm always taking him out, showing him around, having him meet people, etc.

The personality types are foundations of a sort but the classic nature versus nurture deal will shape people. Parenting, education, physical appearance and the like will all have an impact on who the person becomes. NPs for example, aren't really a set, but I can tell you whatever "mentally quicker" you see with them won't often apply in social settings. The INTPs and INFPs I know have a very strong likelihood for social anxiety and aren't going to blow off doors in a group of people. INFPs in particular are the most likely of any type to be depressed due in part to their lack of social skills, their outsider status, their lonely nature, their deep emotional thought and inability to connect with like minded people because there are not many other INFPs out there.
 
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