Which is more Evil: Wal-Mart of Microsoft?

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amdskip

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I don't have time to respond to each comment but I have been employeed by walmart for 4+ years so I know how things operate very well. Drivers would most definately not be on the road for long periods of time. There are 100's of walmart warehouses across the United States and drivers make short runs to these stores daily. Do you expect walmart to pay out skilled labor rates for unskilled labor? Does Target pay better than Walmart, I think not. Walmart infact probably pays better.
 

mobobuff

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Originally posted by: Amused
Neither.

What is evil are those people who mindlessly target whatever company or person who is on top or the most popular.

This, would be the correct answer.
 

mobobuff

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Either way I really don't care if a corporation is "evil". America as a whole has been going down the tubes for some 50 years now, and there isn't much that is goign to stop that.
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Riiiiight... Listen, I know you're very egocentric and are only capable of seeing things that impact YOUR life, but you must realize that the "state" or "condition" of any one society, be it large or small, will have periods of prosper and periods of declination. Our society has been in conditions much worse than what it is now, and I'm sorry if the harsh UV rays from the sun passing through the O-Zone are melting your rose-colored glasses. Sorry if the current society doesn't live up to your standards of what it SHOULD be, but don't think for a god damn second that America has never been in a worse shape. I can't say I've lived through the Great Depression, or a Civil War, or personally experienced any national catastrophe. But I can tell you that I'm not so ignorant as to think the society that I live in is horrible, or is degrading, or is at this point worse than any other time in history.

Don't patronize Amused, he doesn't need it. He seems to be the only one in this thread with his head on straight.

There are thousands of alternatives to Microsoft and Wal-Mart products, don't try to make yourself a victim by claiming there aren't. Please.
 

VirtualLarry

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Originally posted by: mobobuff
But I can tell you that I'm not so ignorant as to think the society that I live in is horrible, or is degrading, or is at this point worse than any other time in history.
If you measure a society its gov't, in terms of "freedom", defined by documented and established rights and the ability to exercise those without interference, while at the same time not having your rights interfered with by others - well, in that sense, I would indeed suggest that this country is in a crisis, and that it is indeed at a point worse than any other time, in this country's history, save perhaps for the bloody civil war, when Lincoln declared a state of emergency and placed the country under martial law.

The biggest right is the right to conduct one's own lawful business without undue interference from either other citizens or gov't. (That much I think that Amused would even agree with, I hope.) But various recent laws greatly impinge upon that, along with this whole "anti-terrorist" hysteria which has more than a hint of McCarthy-ism to it.

Originally posted by: mobobuff
Don't patronize Amused, he doesn't need it. He seems to be the only one in this thread with his head on straight.
There are thousands of alternatives to Microsoft and Wal-Mart products, don't try to make yourself a victim by claiming there aren't. Please.
But I would become a "victim", if gov't were abolished, or corporations were immune from gov't influence, and then they would be free to infringe upon my rights all that they wished, all in the name of greater profits. Amused seems to support that, and therefore I couldn't in my right mind ever agree with you assessment of his viewpoint.
 

imported_Sasha

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Aug 29, 2004
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Originally posted by: iversonyin
I do not see how Walmart nor MS is evil in anyway.
If you don't like the way they treat their worker, don't work for them.
If you don't like their product, don't buy them?
What is so evil about them?
Did you read the initial post? Its not about the products they sell, but rather the serious implications of increased deaths on the highways as a result of affording a 16-hour work shift, which would be up from 10-hours.

Actually, I did a little browsing yesterday and found one website that stated for OTR (tractor trailer drivers) they are allowed to work/drive for up to 10-hours before being required to take an 8-hour break, and cannot work more than 70-hours in a week (IIRC). To me, an OTR driver working 70-hours/week, week after week is already a dangerous proposition. A couple of times I drove at length and neither one was good and could have resulted in my death and or someone else's death as a result.

I would ask each of the posters in this thread to ask themselves if they could drive safely for up to 16-hours at a time, and do this repeatedly for 70-hours/week (or more if that be the WM case). Of course, this would be an excellent case for reducing the population--or offsetting the illegals entering the country.

Also, I would rather see WM not play the part of philanthropist and instead buy more trucks and drivers to offset the delivery needs this effort is currently being based upon. Its one thing for a stockholder to take their earnings and donate them, but another for a company to do so and then prompt this concern.
 

imported_Sasha

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Originally posted by: Pciber
well... lets see here..

walmart screws their employees, but is good to the general public
Microsoft screws the general public, but is good to its employees...

i'd say microsoft, because they screw more people :)

How is potentially increases highway deaths being good to the general public? I suppose if a WM driver kills my annoying neighbor that could be viewed by me as a good thing, but in general its a bad thing--just ask the dead. Oh, wait, they can't answer for themselves.
 

SparkyJJO

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I don't consider either evil. If no one likes work hours and whatever, well, this is a free country so they don't have to work there.
Neither are monopolies. In walmart's case there are many other stores to shop at. In microsoft's case there are other OS's and hardware to use. If you don't like microsoft, go to linux or mac (yuk!). If you don't like walmart, shop somewhere else. No one is forcing you. I mean, honestly, they aren't monopolies, there are other choices :roll:

I just think that people are envious of the company that happens to be on top so they start trying to find ways to mark these companies as "evil."
 

VirtualLarry

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Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
I don't consider either evil. If no one likes work hours and whatever, well, this is a free country so they don't have to work there.
Neither are monopolies. In walmart's case there are many other stores to shop at. In microsoft's case there are other OS's and hardware to use. If you don't like microsoft, go to linux or mac (yuk!). If you don't like walmart, shop somewhere else. No one is forcing you. I mean, honestly, they aren't monopolies, there are other choices :roll:
I just think that people are envious of the company that happens to be on top so they start trying to find ways to mark these companies as "evil."

You are incorrect sir. The US DOJ considers Microsoft to have a monopoly in the desktop personal-computer operating systems market sector. That's a fact, borne out by the highly-publicized MS anti-trust investigations and subsequent trials. If you only learned one thing from them, it should have at least been that one fact.

Perhaps you would care to read the actual court finding of facts from the case?
 

cubby1223

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Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
I just think that people are envious of the company that happens to be on top so they start trying to find ways to mark these companies as "evil."

What is wrong with all you people? There is a big difference between any company being on top, and Wal-Mart being on top! Anyone who thinks this is nothing more than a blind attack on big corporations is just plain ignorant.

Wal-Mart is number 1 because they know how to make profits. And they make profits by destroying small businesses, destroying manufacturers (Vlassic almost went out of business from selling goods at Wal-Mart's low prices), over-working employees, paying minimum wage to the majority of employees, not providing benifits to employees, the list goes on seemingly forever. Company my dad works for makes a lot of their products for Wal-Mart to sell, and this RFID crap is just so damn expensive to implement & so damn hard to effectively work with right now, it's rediculous. But Wal-Mart is forcing the technology, and if they don't comply, they go out of business from lost sales. But does Wal-Mart compensate them for the increased expenses? Not a chance!

Wal-Mart is the much bigger Evil, and I'll say it again, those who think it's a blind attack on whoever's on top, that's the most ignorant & uneducated remark I've seen in a very long time.
 

surreal1221

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Im going to have to go with Wal Mart. I cant help not going in there as the military enjoys putting people in podunk towns in the middle of no where. But Wal-Mart's business practices kill small business, flat out. Maybe it is that I enjoy stores that are designed for certain things, if I want music or movies, I goto a music store or electronics store. If I want groceries, damn it I goto a grocery store. I just hate the mentallity of one stop shopping, but whatever. Let the lower class of America continue to shop there, they need someplace to buy their stuff as it is. Once I am back in a bigger City, no more lower class type shopping at wal mart. I want quality, not cheap stuff that wont last.
 

Lonyo

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In the title, do you mean "of" or "or"?
If you meant of, then it makes no sense.
If you meant or, then you are stupid for not being able to type or.
 

CraigRT

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WalMart.
they run everyone else out of business, and their store sucks, i hate it more than anything else.
nothing like going into a rammed walmart and bumping into mullets left right and centre, I just can't do it anymore!
 

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