Which is faster, mobile barton at 2500 or Athlon64 3000 at 2350 ?

[Megatomic]

Originally posted by: VisableAssassin

Originally posted by: kingmike I will however
might upgrade to an a64 when the new socket is released.

I concur...ill be with ya..just for some future proofing

Me too, I'll be getting an Epox or Abit NF3-250Gb Ultra and a Socket 939 A64 as soon as I can afford one.

 

[VisableAssassin]

Originally posted by: Megatomic

Originally posted by: VisableAssassin

Originally posted by: kingmike I will however
might upgrade to an a64 when the new socket is released.

I concur...ill be with ya..just for some future proofing

Me too, I'll be getting an Epox or Abit NF3-250Gb Ultra and a Socket 939 A64 as soon as I can afford one.

Ill be waiting for an ABIT 250gb...cuz ya know Im an ABIT whore

 

[Megatomic]

I like Abit too, but the 8RDA+ and 8K3A+ I had before my Abit were just awesome boards. If Epox can release a NF3-250Gb Ultra that is as good as the 8RDA+ was they'll have my business (they'll be cheaper than Abit's competitive product I think).

 

[VisableAssassin]

Originally posted by: Megatomic
I like Abit too, but the 8RDA+ and 8K3A+ I had before my Abit were just awesome boards. If Epox can release a NF3-250Gb Ultra that is as good as the 8RDA+ was they'll have my business (they'll be cheaper than Abit's competitive product I think).

Still havent used an Epox board yet... but I hear tons of wonderfull things bout em
Im just really waiting to see what all is gonna be coming out first
gotta justify a jump from my AXP-M 2.6ghz

 

[rogue1979]

Oh brother, I had a difference of opinion with myocardia here:

Everyone is wanting a Barton over a T-bred or Palomino not because of the few % difference in any application, they're wanting a Barton because they've used one, and noticed that it's nearly twice as fast at the things we do most on computers, i.e.-- opening documents, opening applications, booting to Windows, etc. This is exactly why I recommended to him that he get himself a desktop Barton 2500, because it has twice the L2 cache, and although he's not going to notice a significant difference in gaming, he's going to get all of the other advantages to having 512KB of L2 cache. Oh, BTW, where is all of your proof, for your opinions?

I have both the Barton and and several t-breds and I certainly can't choke down the "nearly twice as fast at the things we do most on computers".

 

[rogue1979]

I have noticed that alot of people in this forum are extremely biased toward the hardware that they own.

I couldn't be guilty of this, could I?:shocked:

 

[Shimmishim]

mobo companies i've used...

asus
abit
dfi
shuttle
epox

yeah... and all of them have been wonderful!

the board that gave me the least amount of problems though was the abit boards... but i definitely did like my epox 8rda+ before i killed it

So i'm on my 4th nforce2 board now (dfi) and it's been a blast!

but anyway... back to the topic....

a64 3000+ at 2350 will be much faster than a barton at 2500....

i'd say that yeah, 2400 is about the average for an A64 on air so if we're comparing max o/c's on air... the barton is around... 2.7 to 2.8 for the good overclocking ones...

for the cost to performance ratio... the barton is king... but for pure performance with no money issues, i'd still have to pick the A64...

heck... just get both like me!

 

[jjyiz28]

Originally posted by: rogue1979
Oh brother, I had a difference of opinion with myocardia here:

Everyone is wanting a Barton over a T-bred or Palomino not because of the few % difference in any application, they're wanting a Barton because they've used one, and noticed that it's nearly twice as fast at the things we do most on computers, i.e.-- opening documents, opening applications, booting to Windows, etc. This is exactly why I recommended to him that he get himself a desktop Barton 2500, because it has twice the L2 cache, and although he's not going to notice a significant difference in gaming, he's going to get all of the other advantages to having 512KB of L2 cache. Oh, BTW, where is all of your proof, for your opinions?

I have both the Barton and and several t-breds and I certainly can't choke down the "nearly twice as fast at the things we do most on computers".

i agree w/that statement. barton just "feels" more responsive, snapier in everyday tasks.

 

[TotalImmortal]

I would agrey, i have both a barton 2500+ and an old palomino 2000+ and can 'feel' a diffrence, but i cirtanly wouldn't say doubble!

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: rogue1979
I have noticed that alot of people in this forum are extremely biased toward the hardware that they own.

I couldn't be guilty of this, could I?:shocked:

And I own them both ! So where is my bias ? I still say the Athlon64 is in the next class, and most people here seem to agree.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

as for APG lock and 64-bit apps, neither of those are even available yet (you'll be lucky to have 64-bit windows by the end of the year).

The AN50R does have AGP lock, XP pro 64bit beta has been available for months and runs well with the latest Det's. I was able to get similar FPS to 32bit using them and most 32bit apps ran well too. Aquamark3 was the only thing I tried that wouldn't run of the games and apps I tried. Now, we do need 64bit apps I heartily agree :beer:

As to performance of a barton@2.5-2.6ghz vs a stock 3000+, handicapping the A64 makes the comparison pointless. If you are capable of overclocking a mobile you are capable of overclocking the A64 Now, Having compared a Barton 2500+ week11@2.43ghz 422DDR dual channel synch mode against a A64 3000+@2.4ghz 5:6 and in some benchies 1:1 I have found that for synthetics, scientific caculations, encoding, well pretty much everything but gaming a Barton will hold it's own. However, gaming is another matter entirely. There the A64 does hand the overclocked Barton it's lunch in many titles. Heck, just look at the A64 2800+ review jjyiz28 linked, it gives up 400mhz but easily bests the barton 3200+ in most the gaming benchmarks.

In the final analysis the mobiles@2.5ghz+ are a price-to-performance champ, but when someone posts asking what CPU to get to help improve their gaming, and they already have a high-end vid card then your damned right I'm going to pimp the A64 and a good overclocking board :evil:

 

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
Thanks, Zebo.

I'm pretty sure if the mods saw this thread they would give him an all expenses paid vacation to Tom's Forums.

Listen SickBeast, does it even matter if your barton xp-m is slower or faster by 10%? or whatever it would be. The fact of the matter is Mark enjoys his A64 and you enjoy the barton xp-m. Each one of you has made their choices for a reason. Perhaps Mark wanted the best gaming performance and the ability to support 64-bit in the future, but he paid more for these features. You decided to go for the best bang for the buck, which is again a solid choice in itself. One argument I can bring on your side is that overclocking a Barton xp-m is much more fun than an A64. I think of Barton XP-m as an american muscle car which rips anything in a straight line. And I think of an A64 as a Porsche Turbo which is fast as hell, but an all-around beast. Of course the owner of either car wouldn't even consider buying the other for their own reasons => price/performance, fun overclocking ("souping up"), fun owing and so on.

If you both feel that your processors are fast than just enjoy them. Maybe the fact that your cpus are faster than what 95% of all computer owners have out there, will make you both feel more comforted. If it makes you guys feel better, both of your processors are faster than my 3.2ghz p4. So cheer up, lets just all get along. :beer:

And if you truly want to decide whose is better why dont you get a 3rd party person to tell you what benches to run and you both post the results and cpu intensive apps and we have a friendly duel to see whose is truly faster. If you guys each want to claim "mine is faster", why dont you run a set of comparative benches to show us.

 

[rogue1979]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: rogue1979
I have noticed that alot of people in this forum are extremely biased toward the hardware that they own.

I couldn't be guilty of this, could I?:shocked:

And I own them both ! So where is my bias ? I still say the Athlon64 is in the next class, and most people here seem to agree.

I am having a little joke on all of us, myself included, no one in particular.

 

[Markfw]

Looks like the verdict is what I thought, 30 vs 3 at 10/1 that the A64 is faster...... Thanks for the input. It is good to know that if anybody I know needs a cheap system that the mobile barton will OC that high (haven't tried much with mine, 2126)