Which is faster, mobile barton at 2500 or Athlon64 3000 at 2350 ?

[Markfw]

In another thread the owner of a Mobile Barton at 2500 says it will beat anything, including a FX-53. I don;t have anything OC'ed to 2350 (like Dapunisher) and I don;t want to spend a day doing benchmarks to refute this, so please help me out here.....

Here is a quote form the source of this debate (not me !!!)

the athlon 64 is a complete waste of money compared to the mobile barton!! once you have it running at 2500mhz it will blow everything else away, including a G5 mac (maybe even dual), an athlon fx-53 (top-end amd...$1000 processor), an athlon 64 3400+ ($400 or so) and even the mighty P4EE in most tasks...all for under $100.

 

[Shimmishim]

an A64 3000+ @ 2350 should own a mobile barton even at 2500...

you'd need a mobile barton at i'd guess around 2700 to 2800 to match the performance of a A64 3000+... and even at that, the 3000+ will still be faster IMO...

 

[Bar81]

It's called drugs; some people get the good stuff and then, having no social life, post asinine statements like that Barton quote :roll:

 

[McArra]

LOL!!

 

[caz67]

LOL...Crap!!!

 

[rogue1979]

Who was the original person that you quoted?

 

[VisableAssassin]

Originally posted by: rogue1979
Who was the original person that you quoted?

that would be Myocardia.
He pretty much started bashing me when I stated I wanted to go from a OC mobile to an A64...hes pretty happy with his highly OCed (2.6ghz i think) AXP Mobile nearly edging out a stock speed FX-53...dont ask

 

[joe2004]

Barton @ 2.6 GHz is about as good as Athlon 64 at 2.35 GHz. At least in integer benchmarks.
So there is some truth in the statement at least from the financial point of view. But once we get 64-bit Windows and applications the difference will be even bigger.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: rogue1979
Who was the original person that you quoted?

actually it was sickbeast. But the links he showed in general hardware, still showed the barton loosing badly in utk3. at 2600 it is almost even to a a64 at 2350, but it still looses at 2500. And on utk3, it looses badly "gets is a$$ handed to it". Dapunisher already went several rounds with some idiot that thought the same. Remember. I have 7 Athlon XP machines, 2 of which are bartons, and an Athlon64, so I am not talking out of my a$$. The barton just can;t keep up, thats why the Athlon64 is the next generation CPU.

 

[SickBeast]

i'm guessing that was me being quoted...and in fact it's a MISQUOTE. i said that a mobile barton at 2500mhz would beat out anything else running at STOCK SPEED, which is pretty accurate IMO. sure, certain chips will beat it at certain things, but it will basically compete very well with anything.

i suppose it's not really a "fair" comparison seeing as one chip is overclocked while the other isn't. i still find that too many people are pimping a64 chips that cost more than twice as much as the mobile bartons tho. sure, once we have 64-bit windows and socket 939 w/ pci express the a64 will be the platform of choice, but as it stands now i wouldn't reccomend anything but the mobile barton considering everything including price.

 

[SickBeast]

Here's a link to another thread basically on this exact topic where alot of people agree with me, and they have benchmarks to back it up.

 

[Bar81]

On another note, from the overclockers database 2.5 seems to be a watercooling adventure which negates the savings from the cheaper price of the mobile. Looks like 2.4 for air; techreport has a decent review comparing that to the A64. Not bad but still not in the same league...

 

[SickBeast]

My 2500+ mobile hits 2500mhz on air at 1.80v no problem. I know of many other people who can reach this speed as well, even on lower voltages. I was under the impression that 2500mhz was pretty much a standard overclock for the mobiles...

 

[Zebo]

Edit saw your context sickbeast and marks making a moutain out of a molehill. Everyone knows the moblie bartons are the best bang for the buck, but even at 2500Mhz it will not beat a P4@3.5 nor a a64-3400@2350 except in fpu stuff.Text

And mark you're wildly off on the M-XP getting it's "ass handed to it" against a a64-3400@2350, hell the FX53 barley passes the barton @2500 and it runs at 2400Mhz and is way faster than a a64-3400@2350.

READ that review carefully. FX-53 wins 17 benches and M-XP@2500 wins 7. And all are close except the FX-53 which gets it's ass handed to it in terms of price. 9X the cost for perhaps 10% more performance?

And if you have any doubts post your benches against my sons $400 system in my sig.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Bar81
It's called drugs; some people get the good stuff and then, having no social life, post asinine statements like that Barton quote :roll:

Maybe if you had more than 44 posts I would take what you said seriously and maybe even get a little upset about it. As it stands you're just spewing out flamebait without adding anything intellectual to the discussion. My guess is that you're incapable of anything like that. If these forums didn't have rules I would tell you where to go and exactly how to get there in detail.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Shimmishim
an A64 3000+ @ 2350 should own a mobile barton even at 2500...

you'd need a mobile barton at i'd guess around 2700 to 2800 to match the performance of a A64 3000+... and even at that, the 3000+ will still be faster IMO...

Sorry Shimmishimm, I respect you as a very knowledgeable member of these forums, but could you maybe post a link to a benchmark where the A64 3000+ beats a mobile barton at 2500mhz? I highly disagree with what you just said, even to the point where I don't think the A64 3000+ would win a single benchmark against the barton at 2500mhz, save for maybe simulated memory benchmarks.

The only time the A64 would come close would be if it were overclocked. Since the "quote" of what I said in another thread was not accurate, I suppose I could see why you would be confused and state what you said.

 

[Bar81]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Bar81
It's called drugs; some people get the good stuff and then, having no social life, post asinine statements like that Barton quote :roll:

Maybe if you had more than 44 posts I would take what you said seriously and maybe even get a little upset about it. As it stands you're just spewing out flamebait without adding anything intellectual to the discussion. My guess is that you're incapable of anything like that. If these forums didn't have rules I would tell you where to go and exactly how to get there in detail.

Maybe if you could afford an A64 I would take you more seriously...

 

[SickBeast]

Again, just mindless flamebait with nothing to back yourself up. Show me a benchmark or something!!!

Better yet, how about this: run pifast and let me know how long your computer takes to calculate pi to 1 million places.

Seriously, if all you're going to do is flame people without adding anything intelligent, you deserve a nice long vacation from AT.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Bar81

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Bar81
It's called drugs; some people get the good stuff and then, having no social life, post asinine statements like that Barton quote :roll:

Maybe if you had more than 44 posts I would take what you said seriously and maybe even get a little upset about it. As it stands you're just spewing out flamebait without adding anything intellectual to the discussion. My guess is that you're incapable of anything like that. If these forums didn't have rules I would tell you where to go and exactly how to get there in detail.

Maybe if you could afford an A64 I would take you more seriously...

He may or may not be able to afford it currently but you'll always be a dumbass. Have you brought anything to this dicussion besides being an ass? Here I'll give you something useful to do with your life: Post some benchmarks with your 3200, overclcoked or not does'nt matter, and I'll prove quantitavly you got ripped a new one buying that chip. I'll prove you paid 300% more money for the same product. Dumbass.

 

[SickBeast]

Thanks, Zebo.

I'm pretty sure if the mods saw this thread they would give him an all expenses paid vacation to Tom's Forums.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
i'm guessing that was me being quoted...and in fact it's a MISQUOTE. i said that a mobile barton at 2500mhz would beat out anything else running at STOCK SPEED, which is pretty accurate IMO. sure, certain chips will beat it at certain things, but it will basically compete very well with anything.

i suppose it's not really a "fair" comparison seeing as one chip is overclocked while the other isn't. i still find that too many people are pimping a64 chips that cost more than twice as much as the mobile bartons tho. sure, once we have 64-bit windows and socket 939 w/ pci express the a64 will be the platform of choice, but as it stands now i wouldn't reccomend anything but the mobile barton considering everything including price.

Its an EXACT QUOTE FROM this thread. And your PM to me was exactly the point I was trying to make:

i was talking at stock speeds; of course an a64 at nearly 2400mhz will destroy the barton at 2500mhz or even 2600mhz. the problem is, most people have alot of trouble overclocking the a64 with its locked multiplier from what i hear.

And most people can get 2150-2300 easy, its the 2300-2500 that's a little tuff. Still it will work when APG lock comes out on a new motherboard, and still wipes the floor in games at a mild OC, and 64bit is close, and estimated (I have also tried it to confirm) 20% approx boost in 32 bit apps (some of them) in 64 bit OS.

 

[SickBeast]

right, and the point i'm trying to make is that when i mentionned the a64/fx/g5 mac etc. i was talking about them at STOCK SPEEDS. you keep on assuming that i was referring to everything overclocked; this would have made my comparison totally impossible to make and 100% inaccurate if i were to try to do so.

even at 2150-2300, the a64 will pretty much be neck and neck with barton at 2500mhz; sorry. if you look at the benchmarks i linked to, the barton 2500mhz was almost dead even with an fx-53 that runs 2400mhz and has dual-channel memory as opposed to the single-channel memory of the a64.

as for APG lock and 64-bit apps, neither of those are even available yet (you'll be lucky to have 64-bit windows by the end of the year).

 

[kingmike]

My 2500+ mobile runs at 2500 mhz at 1.6 volts and for $84.00 its an excellent bargain I will however
most likely upgrade to an a64 when the new socket is released.

 

[VisableAssassin]

Originally posted by: kingmike I will however
might upgrade to an a64 when the new socket is released.

I concur...ill be with ya..just for some future proofing

 

[jjyiz28]

http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=a642800&page=1

a A64 at 1.8ghz(2800+), beats a barton at 2.2ghz