Which is faster, a stock i5-4570, or an i5-3570K @ 4.2ghz?

[Endymion FRS]

Just curious, between these two, which is faster, primary use is gaming. Multicore enhancement is turned on for the 4570, if that helps.

 

[monkeydelmagico]

At stock clocks the 4570 will be faster. Overclock the 3570k to 4.2 and it will be faster.

 

[schmuckley]

3570k@4.2

 

[MrSquished]

Just curious, between these two, which is faster, primary use is gaming. Multicore enhancement is turned on for the 4570, if that helps.

do they make a 4570K version so you can OC it?

 

[Endymion FRS]

By how much exactly? Roughly equal probably? I can't see 600mhz being that big of an advantage over Haswell's improvments.

 

[Ed1]

By how much exactly? Roughly equal probably? I can't see 600mhz being that big of an advantage over Haswell's improvments.

10% OC would make it = but that depends on app .
So that be 10%+ on 3.6ghz = 3.96ghz

 

[Lil Frier]

do they make a 4570K version so you can OC it?

The Haswell i5 'K' is the 4670K, which is $240 on Newegg (the 4570 is $199). If the OP can get to a Micro Center, they sell the 4670K for the same price as the 4570 on Newegg, $199.

 

[MrSquished]

The Haswell i5 'K' is the 4670K, which is $240 on Newegg (the 4570 is $199). If the OP can get to a Micro Center, they sell the 4670K for the same price as the 4570 on Newegg, $199.

then i'd go for the 4670k. it's only 30 bucks more than the 3570K. unless that 4670k doesn't OC well. i dont know. anyone know?

the 3570k OC's like a champ. im at 4.4 for a year stable as all hell.

 

[cytg111]

id get the haswell even at a minor performance penalty on the same code basse, haswell is more than a slight IPC increase, extentions and threading improvements will help with the longevity of the haswell system.

 

[AtenRa]

Raise your budget and go Haswell-E 6-Core next year

 

[Lil Frier]

then i'd go for the 4670k. it's only 30 bucks more than the 3570K. unless that 4670k doesn't OC well. i dont know. anyone know?

the 3570k OC's like a champ. im at 4.4 for a year stable as all hell.

From what I've read, the Haswell CPU runs a bit hotter and doesn't OC as well, but I'm not sure if that's enough of a detriment to offset the general improvements of Haswell over Ivy Bridge.

For me, what I've been trying to decide on is if Haswell is worth an extra $50 than Ivy Bridge. Micro Center has both, with Haswell at $200 and Ivy Bridge at $150. I think getting a Haswell board is also another $10 or so than Ivy, so it really becomes a question of when the price of Haswell stops being worth the performance gains. Is Haswell REALLY worth $50-60 more than Ivy? I'm not so sure.

 

[blastingcap]

id get the haswell even at a minor performance penalty on the same code basse, haswell is more than a slight IPC increase, extentions and threading improvements will help with the longevity of the haswell system.

By the time those extensions matter for a substantial fraction of programs, we'll be 3+ generations down the road anyway.

 

[GreenChile]

I thought it was possible to OC the 4570 to 4.2 even though it is the locked version. Of course I'm probably wrong.

 

[BSim500]

I thought it was possible to OC the 4570 to 4.2 even though it is the locked version. Of course I'm probably wrong.

No. It's possible to OC non-K Sandy & Ivy Bridge chips with a Z77 motherboard due to "+4-bins limited OC" feature that allows +400Mhz extra over and above the highest Turbo Boost multiplier. An i5-3570 can be OC'd to 4.2GHz (3.8GHz Turbo + 400MHz), and an i5-3470 can be OC'd to 4.0Ghz (3.6GHz Turbo + 400MHz). Multi-core Enhancement is also needed to reach those speeds under 4-thread loads (instead of load-based 4.2/4.1/4.0 stepping of normal Turbo Boost). Unfortunately, Intel removed the +400Mhz limited OC feature from Haswell, completely nerfing the non-K Haswell chips clock speeds vs their Ivy/Sandy equivalents.

If the OP has a Z77 motherboard with MCE, you could in fact hit 4.2GHz with a vanilla i5-3570 - that might be even cheaper. I've done just that on my setup. If OP can pick up a non-K Ivy 3470 / 3570 for a bargain price (I got my i5-3570 for less than an FX-8350) and is using a discrete GFX card, then you're really not missing much vs a non-K Haswell as the +10.5% (3470's 4.0GHz) / +16% (3570's 4.2GHz) higher clock speeds vs 4570's 3.6GHz easily compensates for Haswell's 5-10% better IPC in most apps / games and so far the only thing AVX2 has proven useful for is running AVX benchmarks... (And Ivy Bridge's don't suffer from the "feature" Haswell's do in arbitrarily adding +0.1v when running AVX benchmarks sending temperatures soaring up into the 80's / 90's when benchmarking / stability testing).

 

[cytg111]

By the time those extensions matter for a substantial fraction of programs, we'll be 3+ generations down the road anyway.

And while everyone with a 3+ generation intel cpu *may* be running it in a tablet - his pc will still keep the pace. That was your point?

 

[Headfoot]

3570k @ 4.2 is faster

 

[tamm]

The performance differences mentioned by the Review on ATech and others is that the performance gained going from ivy to haswell is low double digits (12% I believe). So at stock clocks its safe to assume that ivy and haswell will be equal. At Stock haswell and OC ivy, were substantially increasing the difference, since their baselines are not too different. If say we were going from stock haswell and OC nehalem, then stock haswell would probably be the better choice as stock Nehalem and sandy were already ranging in difference of upwards of %30.

 

[Ed1]

The performance differences mentioned by the Review on ATech and others is that the performance gained going from ivy to haswell is low double digits (12% I believe). So at stock clocks its safe to assume that ivy and haswell will be equal. At Stock haswell and OC ivy, were substantially increasing the difference, since their baselines are not too different. If say we were going from stock haswell and OC nehalem, then stock haswell would probably be the better choice as stock Nehalem and sandy were already ranging in difference of upwards of %30.

I saw a review the other day, with comparisons in real app and games and when it came to games the 3570k came out ahead by very small margin (overall avg of all apps) against 4570k.
They tested at stock and 4.5 freq's .
I try to find it but anyway i would get the 4570k just because its newest with best support as that is newer platform .
here review, YMMV

http://www.ocaholic.ch/modules/smartsection/item.php?itemid=1087

 

[Endymion FRS]

Thanks for the opinions, guys. This isn't a buying opinion, I have two systems, one is a mini-iTX with the 4570 and a reference 780, the other is a mid-tower with the OC'd 3570K and a non-reference 7950. The 780 will make up for any of the loss of the 4570's performance.

Just wanted a quick opinion, and I appreciate it.

 

[Termie]

Thanks for the opinions, guys. This isn't a buying opinion, I have two systems, one is a mini-iTX with the 4570 and a reference 780, the other is a mid-tower with the OC'd 3570K and a non-reference 7950. The 780 will make up for any of the loss of the 4570's performance.

Just wanted a quick opinion, and I appreciate it.

No it won't. You'll bottleneck your 780 badly with a 3.2GHz Haswell in certain games - depends what you play, but certainly BF4 and Crysis 3. Since you can't switch motherboards between an ITX and ATX system, you should switch video cards if you play these games or other games with newer game engines.

Have a look at this article to see how it will shake out: http://www.techbuyersguru.com/ochtgaming1.php

 

[Ed1]

No it won't. You'll bottleneck your 780 badly with a 3.2GHz Haswell in certain games - depends what you play, but certainly BF4 and Crysis 3. Since you can't switch motherboards between an ITX and ATX system, you should switch video cards if you play these games or other games with newer game engines.

Have a look at this article to see how it will shake out: http://www.techbuyersguru.com/ochtgaming1.php

+1 ^

Put the 780 in your desktop ,the cpu performance between 3570 vs 4670 is nil compared to your vid's .