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Which is better platform for playing UT2004? Barton 2500+ or OC'd Celeron-D 325?

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bupkus

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My nephew has a pc with a Barton 2500+ he uses mainly for playing UT2004. I just put together this Soyo with a Celeron-D 325 and I'd like to get an idea if there would be any gaming advantage for him by swapping PC's.

His rig:
Epox 8K5A2+ w/ VIA KT333 chipset
Barton 2500+ (unlocked) 11x166=1.8GHz (I think)
1GB(2X512) PC2700
Radeon 9800 Pro

Trade candidate:
Soyo SY-P4I865PE Plus Dragon 2 V1.0
Celeron-D 325 (locked) 19x165=3.14GHz
512MB(2X256) PC3500 OCZ EL
Radeon 9800 Pro

I may replace the default Celeron HSF for this Zalman CNPS7000-Cu I have on a shelf unopened if it's a faster gaming rig.

What do you think???
 
The barton's got a gig of memory goin for it, that helps out quite a bit with ut2k4. I'd stick with the barton, and maybe overclock it a bit if you feel like you want to.
 
I think he would see a decrease in performance going to the Celeron as they are very bad at gaming. Plus that setup only has 512mb of memory and UT2004 is a memory hog.
 
I can put the 1GB in either computer. It's just that with the PC3500 I think I can OC better. Although, I must admit, I haven't really tried to OC the Celeron with the PC2700.
I just wanted to know if the Celeron could catch up to the Barton with it's 3.14GHz clock speed.
 
Ok, I ran uMark, a Windows based benchmarking utility for UT2004 in both computers.
All in all, they were surprisingly close.
I downloaded and installed uMark in both machines and then ran the "Preset Official 2004" selection of maps at 800x600 with "High Performance" which reduces details. I was going for a cpu comparison. Of course I had to move my video card from one box to another to keep that part the same.

My AMD rig is as follows:
Epox 8RDA+
Barton 2500+ (333) @1838MHz
1GB (512x2) PC2700

My Intel rig as follows:

Celeron-D 325 @ 3131MHz (OC'd w/ 334 fsb)
512MB (256x2) PC3500 OCZ EL

Both machines:
Win XP Pro w/ SR2
PNY Ti4200 w/ 64MB

Minimum FPS Barton=20, Celeron=23, goes to the Celeron by 12%
Average FPS Barton=91, Celeron=87, goes to the Barton by 5%
Maximum FPS Barton=175, Celeron=163, to the Barton by 7%
Score Barton=91, Celeron=87, to Barton by 5%

I wonder what I should know from this. What if I swapped the memory between the two machines? For that matter, what if I had the Celeron in a better mobo I could OC the fsb to 400 or more?
 
Well, if I read your results correctly, you ran the OC'ed Celeron against a stock Barton. Seems to me that if you just increase the Barton's FSB to 400mhz (running at 2.2), then the Barton would win by an even bigger margin.
 
My purpose initially was to see which rig would run faster without investing in new hardware. However, my curiosity does tend to get the best of me. Your point is well taken so that if I could choose either chip as a gaming foundation the Barton seems would be a clear winner.
I wonder what kinds of applications the overclocked Celeron-d would be well suited for; and why did the celeron do so well at minimum FPS?, not that it matters, really... just curious.

As for stock vs. oc'd, I'm not sure what that really says. If Intel sets a fsb well below the chips abilities, the word "stock" loses meaning. If it's an easy OC to 166 and then again to 200, then what is stock? A chip is what it can reasonably can do in the hands of an enthusiast who reads reviews and forums about the smart selection of supporting hardware. No?
 
Would you have to invest in new hardware in order to overclock the Barton? I'm not too familiar with AMD mobos, but if your Barton's mobo is locked w/a 333mhz FSB, could you not overclock the Barton by adjusting its multiplier (being that it's unlocked, and all)?
 
Tough choice. If the Deleron can hit 3.8GHz, then it would be the better choice. If it can't and the Barton can clock higher, Barton would be the better choice.
 
Originally posted by: Mloot
Well, if I read your results correctly, you ran the OC'ed Celeron against a stock Barton. Seems to me that if you just increase the Barton's FSB to 400mhz (running at 2.2), then the Barton would win by an even bigger margin.
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Really. What a bunch of BS. The OC'ed Deleron gets beaten by the stock Barton, and any Barton can be OC'ed to something. You answered your own question !!!! Barton by a mile !!!!!

 
Ok, I just returned my PC3500 to the 8RDA+ with an oc'd fsb of 200 and ran the benchmark with actually no change in fps. So 2 things become clear
1. I really don't know what I'm doing (but I'm learning).
2. I could put this video card in a multi-cpu setup and not get any more frames. I'm just video card bound and that's it.
This is the first time I've ever done a video card benchmark so live and learn.
 
Originally posted by: Computer MAn
I think the Barton would still beat it. I think I remember seeing a benchmark a while back showing a 2.8ghz Celeron getting beat by a 1.8ghz Duron
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thats true, but he is talking about a celeron D. the celeron D isnt half as bad as the old Celerons.


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that chart gives you an idea of where the 2 different CPU's compare in games.

 
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