Which is better in the long run GeForce2 MX or Kyro II?

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Deadalus

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I don't care about TV-OUT or any other special features like that... My TV is too far away to use :)

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MGMorden

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Definately the Kyro II. It's competing more along the lines of a GTS/PRO level. It'll last you longer, though to tell you the truth of you have a Geforce level card or greater I'd hold on to it for a bit longer for Radeon 2 to come out. Then GF3 prices will be a lot lower.
 
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Noriaki

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I had a Kyro2 and discovered with Win2000 drivers give about 2/3s the performance of the Win98 drivers (the benchmarks I bought it based on were all Win98). So I returned it.

I only got about 65FPS in 1024x768x32 in Quake3, that's around what an MX gets. And it had some hardware T&L and doesn't have the lighting weakness the K2 has.

I only got 1499 3Dmarks as well....I think the MX gets higher than that.

I was very dissapointed with the Kyro2. I'm looking at a GF2 Pro for about $140 from Newegg.com now. Between the K2 and the MX I honestly would take the MX. I was very dissapointed with my K2 under Win2000.
 
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nortexoid

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noriaki, but i bet the lowest framerate was higher on the kyro II than the MX though their averages were the same...

anyway, Kyro II is by far a better card as long as you have a decent system and want to dish out a few bucks more...MXs are so cheap...they also suck though..

i've heard the kyro's 2d image quality is better..
 
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MGMorden

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You could also check out the Radeon LE. Flash it to regular DDR and you got a GREAT performer for ~$70. Sell your V3 and you could probably cut that nearly in half. I always go for the budget upgrades :).
 
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MGMorgan, you don't flash it. Its a simple registry tweak!!! Flashing is NOT something for newbies...
 
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nortexoid

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flashing is easier actually...then u simply install the latest ATI Radeon DDR drivers...

editing the registry is harder. (though still easy)
 
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Flashing can easily kill your parts if something goes wrong. Regedit with pictures is incredibly easy!!
 
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duragezic

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I would not get an MX right now. They aren't worth it. If I got any low price card I'd get a Radeon LE or a Kyro 2. If you can afford to spend a little more you could get a GF2 Pro or maybe even a Radeon 64 (around $150 for the Radeon prob).
 
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splice

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It's is true the Kryo2 performs poorly in 3DMark2K1, but this benchmark seems to not show the true performance of the Kryo2. I can run CounterStrike (1024x768) at 100fps on my AMD750+Athlon T-bird 700. Really, anything above your monitors refresh rate is overkill.
 
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nortexoid

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flashing can "easily" kill your parts?

maybe if your computer is prone to randomly shutting off...
 
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splice

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Agreed... Flashing is pretty fool proof. Just don't turn of your computer before the flash is complete. I have made serveral apps which flash devices via RS-232 com ports for the company I work for. I'm no expert, but I have never had a device fail because the flash process got hosed.

Edit: BTW, the COM/flash app's I had to write had to fit in a code space of 0x60 bytes on the host device, talk about hard core ASM optimizing. ;)
 
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roc

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I don't know - I went with the Kyro II and find its performance great - I haven't had the chance to see the MX in action so I can't comment on the performance. I can however, tell you that I am very pleased with the Kyro II (Hercules 4500).

hope that helps,
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BFG10K

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The Kyro2 is definitely better than the GF2 MX. Any driver problems you might have with the Kyro2 will surely be fixed soon, while nothing will fix the MX's mediocre memory bandwidth.
 
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clockhar

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You say the kyro II is the bomb? Well how about win 2k performance? Every hardware site out there that did a kyro II review only did it for win 98 :( ... they promised win 2k reviews (but still waiting). I heard one person on win 2k being 2/3 as fast as win 98. Is that everyone? Or just his machine?
 
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Budman

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Flashing a LE to radeon does not add those registry setting automaticaly,even after the flashing you still need to add the tweaks.i did a clean install of win2k & installing the drivers did not add the tweaks automaticaly

The only reason i see to flash is to have it default to 166mhz instead of 148.
 
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MGMorden

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Budman: The flash makes the card to be a standard radeon (without the fan which I think is a good thing :)), so all the tweaks might not be set for optimal performance, but all the stuff that is set when you have a normal radeon is on (my 3dmark2001 score jumped 400 points from the flash with NO tweaks. It only jumped 150-200 when I simply overclocked the core/mem to regular speeds). And for alternative OS's such as Linux flashing is the only way to go (regedit stuff doesn't work there). I just like the more permanent solution rather than messing with regedit.
 
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nortexoid

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budman?

after flashing the bios were u still using the Radeon LE drivers?...if so, that would explain it...

flashing it and installing hte standradr DDR drivers should auto enable HyperZ in D3D and bump the clock/mem to retail speeds...

and then there's linux, etc. which i never thought of...
 
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