Which is better Clawhammer or Newcastle?

[topdog]

Looking to get 3200 or 3400 amd 64 which core is better o/c etc, also the best board?

 

[imported_michaelpatrick33]

The Newcastle has a new core revision "CG". Runs cooler, and plays better with more/different dimms. I would probably go with the Newcastle core whether destkop or mobile for overclocking. The Newcastle 3200+ runs at 2200Megahertz with 512L2 cache and gives you, I think the best value versus performance for overclocking!

 

[topdog]

thanks... any sugg. on mobo i know to get nvidia chipset, but can't decided which one..

 

[imported_michaelpatrick33]

Make sure you get a 250 or 250GB motherboard. Faster hypertransport and agp/pci lock = more overclocking options. I have good things about the MSI, Epox and to a lesser degree Chaintech.

I believe all Newcastle cores are the new CG cores but make sure when ordering to check for the "AX" in the model ID if you can

 

[jreg]

There are C0 Newcastles. I've seen a few reports of people getting them lately. Not enough to give any indication on what your odds are though. There are also CG Clawhammers, which is what I recieved yesterday from Newegg (OEM 3200+ Clawhammer). I don't think I've ever seen a mobile C0 revision, those are all CGs, so that's the best way to get one. The downside is all the motherboard issues, which is why I went with a desktop chip. Anyway, you could end up with either revision on either chip, so don't assume one way or the other unless you know for sure what chip you're getting. I wouldn't put too much stock in the model numbers that vendors list either, unless they specifically guarantee it. Most don't keep that up to date and probably go through stocks of both C0 and CG revisions without changing the model number. Case in point, Newegg listed my chip as an AP but it ended up being an AR anyway.

As for motherboard selection, I went with the MSI K8N Neo, and it seems to be working out pretty well now. There are some temp sensor issues, which are pretty annoying. I thought it was only for Newcastles, but I'm definitely experiencing it with a CG Clawhammer. Other than that I'm happy with it. I think all of the currently available 250 based boards are looking pretty decent, just pick the cheapest one that includes all the features you need.

 

[Vette73]

Yea like the others have been in line with, CG stepping is more important then how much cache the chip hsa etc... But its hard to know what stepping you will get so IMO go with the fastest Mhz you can afford. Like a 3000+ or a 3200+ at 2.2Ghz


For boards the Chaintech seems the best bang for your low end buck and the MSI is the next best one is you want/need teh extra features it offers.

 

[Shimmishim]

AX is CG but AP is C0

You can recognice a typical core as stated below :

Athlon64 3400+ 2200MHz 1MB ADA3400AEP5AR (CG)
Athlon64 3400+ 2200MHz 1MB ADA3400AEP5AP (C0)
Athlon64 3200+ 2200MHz 512KB ADA3200AEP4AX (CG)
Athlon64 3200+ 2000MHz 1MB ADA3200AEP5AR (CG)
Athlon64 3200+ 2000MHz 1MB ADA3200AEP5AP (C0)
Athlon64 3000+ 2000MHz 512KB ADA3000AEP4AX (CG)
Athlon64 3000+ 2000MHz 512KB ADA3000AEP4AR (CG)
Athlon64 3000+ 2000MHz 512KB ADA3000AEP4AP (C0)
Athlon64 2800+ 1800MHz 512KB ADA2800AEP4AX (CG)

stolen from a post at xtreme

as for the best board... i'll agree, go with an nforce3 250 board...

i just got myself the epox 8KDA3J

 

[DAPUNISHER]

i just got myself the epox 8KDA3J

*Off to bleeedingedge to see if shim has some results posted since I have been eyeing that board hard*

 

[weim75]

I'm confused and have the same questions. Isn't there a Newcastle 3200 and a Clawhammer 3200? Which of those 2 is best?

 

[Shimmishim]

Originally posted by: weim75
I'm confused and have the same questions. Isn't there a Newcastle 3200 and a Clawhammer 3200? Which of those 2 is best?

yes

newcastle = 512 kb L2
clawhammer = 1024 kb L2

3200+ newcastle speed = 11 x 200
3200+ clawhammer speed = 10 x 200

 

[weim75]

Thanks. If this is a dumb question, please forgive; is the Newcastle "better" ?