Which governor will become President in 2008?

[Vic]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Vic
I see Gore and Hillary as big potential disasters for the Dems come 08. Both are too polarizing and have too much baggage.

Hillary is more polarising than Dumbya? Please. Shrub showed that a very polarising figure can win Presidential office, anyway.

Of course, as people get to hear Hillary's message, they'll realize she is quite the moderate.

The country is done with polarizing politics. We go through this from time to time, where we fight and squabble amongst ourselves over this and that, but eventually we always come back together because we're Americans and we love America. We let the dittohead right badger politics around under Clinton, and we tolerated it because times were mostly good under Clinton. Then the dittohead right have their Dubya and things have gone downhill ever since. We're sick of it. We're ready to rally again behind another great leader of the moderate middle. Another Clinton, Reagan, or FDR. The Dems are perfectly poised here (as I predicted they would be in 04 if the Pubs insisted on letting GW win then), they just need to flip the bird to extremists like yourself.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Vic
they just need to flip the bird to extremists like yourself.

Quoted for irony

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: DonVito

I dunno, I've spent time with Gov Pawlenty (my boss is a close friend of his), and I don't see him as Presidential material. He seems like a bit of a lightweight to me (though in all fairness he's clearly much brighter than President Bush and several other US Presidents). If he'd lost yesterday (which he came damned close to doing), his political career would have been over IMO. I will say that the idea of a midwestern swing-state governor could be an appealing prospect as a Presidential candidate, but frankly I think a lot of Democratic Presidential candidates would beat Pawlenty in his own state.

Heh I open up the star and libune to find this.

http://www.startribune.com/587/story/798110.html

Yeah, I saw that. I am impressed with this quote, which doesn't sound like something we would hear President Bush say:

"With a completely different Congress and a very different Legislature [with lopsided DFL majorities in both houses] the public has expressed a very understandable desire for the nation and state to come together," he said.

"The results were very humbling, and I really mean that. I'm not coming out of this boastfully or as some steamroller. I feel very fortunate to have survived and I take to heart the message that I have to try to be a unifying force," Pawlenty said.

I don't dislike Pawlenty as a man, and honestly in some ways I'm relieved he won, particularly since Hatch is such a thoroughly disagreeable guy, and was in many respects running to the right of Pawlenty. I think the quote in that article by Mayor Rybak, saying that Minnesotans like Pawlenty but not what he stands for, is right on, and it's not obvious to me he could deliver the state in a Presidential election. I also still have to question whether he has the gravitas to be a viable Presidential candidate. I guess we'll see . . .

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Vic
they just need to flip the bird to extremists like yourself.

Quoted for irony

Oh I forgot... to you, the Constitution is a good and a bad thing, depending on which freedom is being defended, and rights are a good and a bad thing, depending on whose rights we're talking about.

Go back to your bread and circuses. :roll:

 

[Agent11]

I'm a democrat and I don't like the idea of Edwards as a presidential candidate. . Hillary/Obama would kick some ass though.

 

[LunarRay]

Today as back before the '04 primary.. I gotta think that Bob Kerrey of Nebraska will run... that he didn't field an effort in '04 might indicate no interest.. but, again there are no viable Democratic names bounding about that can swing the 7 states that must be swung.. In two years the Republicans may generate enough fodder to counter this Congressional take over..
I view tuesday's event as less than good for the '08 showdown.. although I do thing in the final analysis what happens in the next year and a bit will determine '08 and so it is in the hands of the Democrats to win or lose....
Kerrey will run if the Democatic machine don't bog down.. and will pass up the chance if it does..

Obama, Clinton, Kerry are not viable for the needed swing states.. I don't care what or who says anything.. it is the 7 states that make or break the election in '08 and who ever runs must swing them from the Republican slim margin..

 

[Tab]

I would hope that neither Edwards, Kerry, Hilary, Gore don't even try to run or become big figureheads for the next elections.

I really, hope the democrats don't fvck up.

 

[Starbuck1975]

I see a Romney/Gulianni ticket as a strong contender for the Presidency...both are fairly progressive conservatives with strong appeal, and a credible record of exceptional leadership, bipartisanship and an ability to get things done. The Republican base will never support them because neither politician plays to the religious right, largely because in NY and MA they didnt have to.

 

[imported_Lothar]

Tom Vilsack.
Bill Richardson.
Mitt Romney.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
I see a Romney/Gulianni ticket as a strong contender for the Presidency...both are fairly progressive conservatives with strong appeal, and a credible record of exceptional leadership, bipartisanship and an ability to get things done. The Republican base will never support them because neither politician plays to the religious right, largely because in NY and MA they didnt have to.

Romney is at all not progressive. He is more in tune with Brownback and Bush than Gulianni and Schwarzenegger(sp?). However, he is fiscally conservative (genuinely), which mix that with being a social conservative, he could get huge support in the south.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Romney is at all not progressive. He is more in tune with Brownback and Bush than Gulianni and Schwarzenegger(sp?). However, he is fiscally conservative (genuinely), which mix that with being a social conservative, he could get huge support in the south.

True, although MA was the first state to truly legalize gay marriage, and Romney chose not to get into a morality battle over the issue...compared to the others you mentioned, Romney's personal beliefs may not be all that socially progressive...but given that he was a popular and successful governor of a fairly liberal state, I would contend that "moral" issues don't interfere with his ability to lead.

May take on Romney is that, while he may have certain social convictions, he is also a reasonable man.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: BDawg
Do people really think a Mormon can win?

Originally posted by: Agent11

I'm a democrat and I don't like the idea of Edwards as a presidential candidate. . Hillary/Obama would kick some ass though.

People keep telling me they are not ready for a woman President.

Sorry ladies.

They are a little more ready for a black man.

They are also very receptive to me picking Obama as VP spot.

I would of course pick Hillary for a high position.

Who is the Mormon out there?

I would appoint him to a Cabinet position while also pushing for their beliefs to be legal and none of the Government business along with Gays as well.

 

[new22003]

I?m an independent so I?m not knocking the Democrats, but they have a history of picking unelectable candidates. If they pick someone from the N.E. again they are shooting themselves in the foot. I?m also not an anti-Hillary nut, but if they pick her they will lose as well. Shes actually a good politician but she is a very polarizing figure.

History has shown they need to pick a Midwestern or Southern governor to win. If they have learned there lessons they will run one and likely win. If they choose another person viewed as a ?New England Liberal? they don?t deserve the Whitehouse. The people in the N.E. will vote Democrat no matter what, you need someone who, at least somewhat, appeals to independents and moderate Republicans in the swing states.

The same advice goes to the Republicans. They can?t pick another person viewed as a ?Cowboy? or ?Ultra Conservative? because G.W. has left such a bad taste in American mouths. If they run a one they don?t deserve the Whitehouse.

I for one would like to see congress stay as it is (slight democratic control) and have a very moderate Republican president, who knows how to balance a budget, in 2008. The system works best with checks and balances and moderate views.

 

[Alienwho]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Who is the Mormon out there?

Mitt Romney is the Mormon.

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

Romney is at all not progressive. He is more in tune with Brownback and Bush than Gulianni and Schwarzenegger(sp?). However, he is fiscally conservative (genuinely), which mix that with being a social conservative, he could get huge support in the south.

True, although MA was the first state to truly legalize gay marriage, and Romney chose not to get into a morality battle over the issue...compared to the others you mentioned, Romney's personal beliefs may not be all that socially progressive...but given that he was a popular and successful governor of a fairly liberal state, I would contend that "moral" issues don't interfere with his ability to lead.

May take on Romney is that, while he may have certain social convictions, he is also a reasonable man.

Exactly.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
People keep telling me they are not ready for a woman President.

Sorry ladies.

what you mean is men keep telling you they aren't ready for a woman president. my guess is that women citizens probably are ready. they are a majority of the population, too.

 

[Alienwho]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
People keep telling me they are not ready for a woman President.

Sorry ladies.

what you mean is men keep telling you they aren't ready for a woman president. my guess is that women citizens probably are ready. they are a majority of the population, too.

I don't know about that. I would bet that a good portion of women (especially republican women) don't look to other females for good leadership, especially when it's the person representing your country. So that's half the female voters gone right there. Also, women tend to get jealous and don't like other women for no reason at all. So if Hilary wears the wrong dress or some tacky earings, she could lose another chunk of votes. JFK got a ton of female support just because he was a good looking man and simply looked like a great president.

 

[Agent11]

Has anyone mentioned Biden? I think he would work very well.