Which forum (software/engine) is your favorite?

GeekDrew

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A company I am associated with may consider changing forum engines in the future. The forum is used for the general public to post messages about content relevant to our community, much as AT is geared to the technical community.

We have a couple of concerns (at least that I can easily see):

  • Ensuring that the benefits of changing forums outweigh the cons (duh)
  • Ensuring that the new user interface is as easy to use as possible (see next item)
  • Ensuring that we do not unnecessarily aggravate or annoy our members, so as to not drive them away
  • Ensuring that the new forum is easy to administer for someone that is not fluent in PHP, Apache, or anything non-Microsoft

We are currently having quite a few problems with our forum, including subscription notification messages being sent to people that did not request them, not being sent to folks that did request them, and in general, not being able to have a reliable e-mail notification system. It also does not like it if you try to view more than one thread at once (such as if you middle clicked a bunch of threads at once, to spawn new tabs or windows, and read them in order, reading them while others load). Archiving is also a pain, as if any specific forum/conference grows above several thousand threads (or so it appears), performance starts going downhill in a hurry... and if users want to view archived messages, they have to change forums (kinda hard to explain... it's more involved than just clicking on a different forum name, like what we're able to do here at AT... I guess you just have to know the package we're using to understand).

From my perspective, our current forum is horrible. Our president isn't very eager to change, though, because he's afraid that our community is so resistant to change that it will drive people away, or at the least, make them complain excessively. He hasn't said it, but I somehow doubt that him being nonfamiliar with PHP (and anything non-MS) helps the case much for moving to a different forum, since most of the forums that he's seen and considered were written in PHP.

I personally think that vBulletin would be an ideal forum. It's very well supported (by both Jelsoft and the user/admin community in general), can do everything except integrate the kitchen sink, and I think that it's easy to use (at least for the users - and the admin control panel isn't that hard, either). It may not look like the best forum visually (many people argue that it looks terrible), but skins can change the look of the forums somewhat. vBulletin 3.5.0 is currently in RC2 state, if I recall correctly, and a stable version will probably be coming out soon... and I see that it is *much* easier to use plugins, modifications, etc., on v3.5.0 than it was on < v3.5.0. I wouldn't deploy it to a huge community right after it became stable, but I would probably set up a test bed, and invite twenty or thirty members to the testbed, to try to break it, to find any problems that I may have missed, to come up with suggestions for improvement before going public, etc.

I'm curious as to what ATOT thinks is the best forum package out there. Am I missing something major that I need to be considering? Does anyone have any reasons or suggestions as to why vBulletin would be a poor choice?

TIA...

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GeekDrew

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Not even one response! Dang... I knew I wouldn't get many responses, but this surprises even me.
 

HamburgerBoy

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As a user I'd have to say Forumplanet's own custom forums are the best for simplicity but still a few good features. As an admin I'd say phpBB, but the only other type of forum I've ever admined was an Invision forum.
 

GeekDrew

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Originally posted by: ironwing
YaBB

I've heard nothing but bad things about YaBB... security problems, hosts that have banned it, lack of development, etc... I didn't research it very much, as I didn't think it was a "serious" forum engine. Are there any major installs of it with a very active community?
 

GeekDrew

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Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
vB... but I don't hate fusetalk

Eh, I rag on Fusetalk all the time... but it's not that bad. I think the reason I dislike it is because I only see it here at AT, experience problems here more than anywhere else, and I see a LOT of room for improvement in it. :-\ I guess I see it through biased eyes.
 

RossMAN

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I didn't read your entire first post.

vBulletin > IPB > all others

vBuletin 3.5 should reach final release (gold) in a few weeks and it's going to be awesome.
 

GeekDrew

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Originally posted by: RossMAN
vBuletin 3.5 should reach final release (gold) in a few weeks and it's going to be awesome.

No kidding. I've been reading a LOT about it the last few days... I can't wait for it to be released as gold.
 

RossMAN

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Originally posted by: GeekDrew
Originally posted by: RossMAN
vBuletin 3.5 should reach final release (gold) in a few weeks and it's going to be awesome.

No kidding. I've been reading a LOT about it the last few days... I can't wait for it to be released as gold.

We've been testing it for a few weeks, installing various hacks/mods. It's quite impressive.

What kind of hosting does this community have?
 

IronWing

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Originally posted by: GeekDrew
Originally posted by: ironwing
YaBB

I've heard nothing but bad things about YaBB... security problems, hosts that have banned it, lack of development, etc... I didn't research it very much, as I didn't think it was a "serious" forum engine. Are there any major installs of it with a very active community?

YaBB2 is under active development and in the Release Candidate stage. It is really the only choice if you don't have MySQL. Security is very tight and the newer versions consume a lot less overhead than previous versions. It has a very active support and modding community so customizing is easy.

A list of some more well known YaBB forums, some are quite large:
I haven't checked to see which have upgraded to YaBB2. If you are interested, check out YaBB2 here: http://www.yabbforum.com/community/YaBB.pl


Bam Margera (http://www.bamargera.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.cgi
Warren Zevon (http://www.warrenzevon.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi
Del Amitri (http://www.delamitri.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl
Def Leppard (http://www.defleppard.com/livescripts/YaBB.cgi
Spin Doctors (http://www.spindoctors.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl
Frank Zappa (http://www.zappa.com/yabb/YaBB.cgi

http://www.bcrescue.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl
http://www.afghan-web.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi/YaBB.cgi
http://www.uri-geller.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl
http://www.immortal.com/bbs/YaBB.cgi
http://www.voicesnet.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl
http://www.extremespearfishing.com.au/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl
http://www.antipolygraph.org/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl
http://www.musicfanclubs.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi
http://www.sinch.net/cgi-bin/msgboard/YaBB.pl
http://www.ubu.org.uk/bulletin/YaBB.cgi?
http://www.soccercityusa.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl
http://www.thebullspen.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl
http://www.schwanger-online.de/
http://www.aqua-computer-systeme.de/forum-index.htm
http://www.forum.xonder.com/
http://www.funkyteen.com/cgi-bin/forum/YaBB.pl
http://www.forevermommies.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.cgi
http://www.dinarasafina.com/cgi-bin/forum/YaBB.pl
http://www.b-independent.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl
http://www.poem.org/poetry/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl
http://forum.italiamobile.net/cgi-bin/imbb/imbb.cgi
http://bb01.mer.uk.vvhp.net/mcfly/YaBB.pl
http://bb01.mer.uk.vvhp.net/busted/YaBB.pl
http://forums.ag.ru/
 

GeekDrew

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Originally posted by: RossMAN
Originally posted by: GeekDrew
Originally posted by: RossMAN
vBuletin 3.5 should reach final release (gold) in a few weeks and it's going to be awesome.

No kidding. I've been reading a LOT about it the last few days... I can't wait for it to be released as gold.

We've been testing it for a few weeks, installing various hacks/mods. It's quite impressive.

What kind of hosting does this community have?

Yeah... I'm thinking about installing a copy of vb3.5.0 tomorrow, just to play around with. ;)

Hosting is... uh.... well, I'll just say that it's not an issue. ;)
 

GeekDrew

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Originally posted by: ironwing
Originally posted by: GeekDrew
Originally posted by: ironwing
YaBB

I've heard nothing but bad things about YaBB... security problems, hosts that have banned it, lack of development, etc... I didn't research it very much, as I didn't think it was a "serious" forum engine. Are there any major installs of it with a very active community?

YaBB2 is under active development and in the Release Candidate stage. It is really the only choice if you don't have MySQL. Security is very tight and the newer versions consume a lot less overhead than previous versions. It has a very active support and modding community so customizing is easy.

A list of some more well known YaBB forums, some are quite large:
I haven't checked to see which have upgraded to YaBB2. If you are interested, check out YaBB2 here: http://www.yabbforum.com/community/YaBB.pl

Traci Lords (http://www.tracilords.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi)
Bam Margera (http://www.bamargera.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.cgi)
Warren Zevon (http://www.warrenzevon.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi)
Phil Collins (http://www.philcollins.co.uk/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi)
Del Amitri (http://www.delamitri.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl)
Def Leppard (http://www.defleppard.com/livescripts/YaBB.cgi)
Spin Doctors (http://www.spindoctors.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl)
Frank Zappa (http://www.zappa.com/yabb/YaBB.cgi)

http://www.bcrescue.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl
http://www.afghan-web.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi/YaBB.cgi
http://www.uri-geller.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl
http://www.immortal.com/bbs/YaBB.cgi
http://www.voicesnet.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl
http://www.extremespearfishing.com.au/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl
http://www.antipolygraph.org/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl
http://www.musicfanclubs.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi
http://www.sinch.net/cgi-bin/msgboard/YaBB.pl
http://www.ubu.org.uk/bulletin/YaBB.cgi?
http://www.soccercityusa.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl
http://www.thebullspen.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl
http://www.schwanger-online.de/
http://www.aqua-computer-systeme.de/forum-index.htm
http://www.forum.xonder.com/
http://www.funkyteen.com/cgi-bin/forum/YaBB.pl
http://www.forevermommies.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.cgi
http://www.dinarasafina.com/cgi-bin/forum/YaBB.pl
http://www.b-independent.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl
http://www.poem.org/poetry/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl
http://forum.italiamobile.net/cgi-bin/imbb/imbb.cgi
http://bb01.mer.uk.vvhp.net/mcfly/YaBB.pl
http://bb01.mer.uk.vvhp.net/busted/YaBB.pl
http://forums.ag.ru/

Well, I didn't check all of those, but I clicked on the first eight you listed, and they were *ALL* either 404 messages, or other "Sorry, nope" messages.
 

IronWing

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Okay, I edited my post above. The trailing ) was killing a lot of links. I also removed some duds. The only forums in the list that are using YaBB2 are the funkyteen, forevermommies, soccercity sites, and, of course, the yabbforum site. The rest are using various versions of YaBB1.
 

GeekDrew

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*ahem*

To clarify, the community that I'm discussing here has absolutely nothing to do with homosexuality. :Q
 

imported_malcontent

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I like IPB as a product, but over the past year or so the company's attitude has changed to the point where I would never use the product.
 

GeekDrew

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Originally posted by: ironwing
Okay, I edited my post above. The trailing ) was killing a lot of links. I also removed some duds. The only forums in the list that are using YaBB2 are the funkyteen, forevermommies, soccercity sites, and, of course, the yabbforum site. The rest are using various versions of YaBB1.

OK... I guess I was having a stupidity attack for not realizing that a trailing ) was causing the errors.

I don't know... I visited a couple of the YaBB2 sites, and the postbits reminded me a lot of both vB and IPB. :-\ Coupled with the fact that it's in perl, instead of PHP, I don't see a big advantage to it. Does it have any useful features that the other forums do not?
 

dug777

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meh, can you point me to a vbulletin board that looks good?

i hate the OCAU ones :p
 

GeekDrew

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Originally posted by: malcontent
I like IPB as a product, but over the past year or so the company's attitude has changed to the point where I would never use the product.

Ditto. I'm an admin on an IPB, and we've had problems... IPB keeps saying that the problem is with out host. OK... so tell us what the host is doing that is causing the problem. I've hosted websites before, and am still a reseller, and run a few servers, and I'm still puzzled as to what our host could be doing to cause some of our issues.
 

IronWing

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Originally posted by: GeekDrew
Originally posted by: ironwing
Okay, I edited my post above. The trailing ) was killing a lot of links. I also removed some duds. The only forums in the list that are using YaBB2 are the funkyteen, forevermommies, soccercity sites, and, of course, the yabbforum site. The rest are using various versions of YaBB1.

OK... I guess I was having a stupidity attack for not realizing that a trailing ) was causing the errors.

I don't know... I visited a couple of the YaBB2 sites, and the postbits reminded me a lot of both vB and IPB. :-\ Coupled with the fact that it's in perl, instead of PHP, I don't see a big advantage to it. Does it have any useful features that the other forums do not?

I don't have much experience with other forum software so I can't give you a good comparison list. I find the support and modding community a huge bonus. The modders seem to be willing to attempt just about any feature admins request. I prefer perl so to me that in itself is a plus but that is just a matter of taste. Plus it is free.
 

dug777

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Originally posted by: GeekDrew
Originally posted by: dug777
meh, can you point me to a vbulletin board that looks good?

i hate the OCAU ones :p

OCAU?

Personally, I think that vB looks better than IPB or any number of forums out there. I do like Fusetalk's appearance more than vB... most of the time. I just don't like its functionality.

How about http://planetchristmas.stementechnologies.com :-

<shrug>

Overclockers Australia...

that link you gave me was MUCH better looking tho ;)