Which DC to run ?

[Markfw]

With the recent unfair WU point assignments and other problems (not to mention being called a cheater by blocking a server IP) I am considering dropping out of the project.

Are there any other projects that are for a good cause like F@H, and are there any that will reward high horsepower farms ? use SMP clients ? Does Rosetta@home have a good commandline SMP client ?

Any suggestions are welcome. I may even re-join a TEAM team with my farm of 20 cores.

 

[GLeeM]

Hello Mark

Rosetta@Home is a great project and cause!

It runs on BOINC which has many features you would like for your farm.

It is not SMP but it will run on all cores available or you can choose how many you want used.

With BOINC you can also easily run other projects and set the percent of each to run.

 

[Markfw]

Yea, I see I am still number 3 on TEAM F@H... Won't be that way forever. I have one million over at BE, and they are OK, but F@H is getting to be a pain. You still do it, so maybe you know. You get a 1498 and you now only get 755 points fo2 2 days work on a 3.5 ghz C2D, but get a 2124, and in the same 2 days on the same box, you get 396. So they double the points just because it takes more memory ? thats rediculous. And you never get them, unless you block the IP those stinker units come from. Then I get called a cheater. So to heck with F@H.

Is Rosetta@home more fair in points ? And does that run in console mode to be more efficient ?

 

[Freewolf]

Hi Mark
The only way to run Rosey is with BOINC.

 

[Rattledagger]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
Is Rosetta@home more fair in points ? And does that run in console mode to be more efficient ?

Yes, there aren't any bonus-points under BOINC. There will be some variation in credit/hour across wu, but credit/day should typically be within 10% in the same project.


Rosetta@home-wu has configurable run-time, from 1 hour to 24 hours, with default 3 hours. In a wu you'll crunch 1 structure, and if enough time before your target run-time, will do one more structure and so on.

In Rosetta the credit is

#structures * average credit/structure for this wu-type.

Average credit/structure for wu-type is calculated from all previously returned results for same wu-type, so basically Rosetta@home uses everyones computer as benchmark-computers.


As for client, the BOINC "core" client is a cli that preferably is installed as service (install-choise), or is running hidden and started/stopped by BOINC Manager.
The core client handles all upload/download, start/stop crunching and so on, and upgrades science-applications as needed. The science-applications is running hidden and has the speed of a cli, but can also contain a screensaver-part. But, the screensaver-part will only be used, and possibly slow-down crunching, if you chooses to display it.

To monitor/control the BOINC core client, there's also included a GUI-front-end, the BOINC Manager, and they're communicating on port-31416. In the BOINC Manager you can do everything from pausing specific wu, aborting wu, adding/removing projects, see on progress of wu, whatever more wu is waiting to run and many other things.. Also, look on the log-messages. If example don't want more wu from a project, just select "no new work" for this project.

Atleast if installed as service, you don't need to run the BOINC Manager at all, and even if running, it won't use much resources. You can choose to use example BoincView instead, this can monitor/control many computers at once. The BOINC Manager can also monitor/control other computers, if you've configured this option, but only one computer at a time.


But anyway, my recommendation is to try-it out, download BOINC from
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php

Install it, and start, and when asked "attach" to:
http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/

Choose whatever email-address and password you wants, and you should be up and running in no time.
Only thing really needed now, is to remember to join TeAm AnandTech, by going to
http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/team_join_form.php?id=79

Welcome to Rosetta@home.

 

[GLeeM]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
You still do it, so maybe you know. You get a 1498 and you now only get 755 points fo2 2 days work on a 3.5 ghz C2D, but get a 2124, and in the same 2 days on the same box, you get 396. So they double the points just because it takes more memory ? thats rediculous. And you never get them, unless you block the IP those stinker units come from. Then I get called a cheater. So to heck with F@H.

F@H thought that nobody would choose to run the new technology memory hog and bandwidth hog WUs unless they gave a bonus for them. It would take me, on my dialup, three hours to recieve/send back a 1498!

Don't be so concerned about what people say. I would say - To heck with them! Instead of to heck with F@H.

 

[Markfw]

Rattledagger, I did try, and start one unit. But for the life of me, I can;t figure how to configure BIONC for Rosetta. Please tolerate an old fart, and give me a quick lession... Maybe I will run it on more than one box.

 

[Insidious]

HIYa Mark

Well, I'm sure you have noticed I was happy to step into the fray over at the F@H forums too.

7im sent me a PM telling me I was a troublemaker. Oh well.....

You might not know, but there was a similar debacle a while back (year or more) with bonus getting Waaaay out of hand (QMD work units with a 4X bonus IF you were willing to have Intel CPUs)

Anyway, I decided to take a break and went to Rosetta. It is a great project and if you really do need to make a change, I can tell you I was very happy there. (You're welcome Christian )

As you can see, for the last 2 or 3 months I have been back here with F@H. I missed this awsome team and (not taking anything away from any AT team) came back. I just finally decided that I wanted to support my friends of nearly 3 years folding (and they did do away with the QMDs)

They're already starting to realize it is stupid to give such bonuses and then gripe when people try hard to do work that includes them.

That Alan person is second on my list of &%$%$@ only to 7im, with Bruce a close third.

BUT

even though they annoy me, their motives really are good, just terribly misguided.

Whatever you choose, F@H or something else (Rosey was a GREAT something else for me while I cooled my heels), never forget you have LOTS of friends here.

WE WON'T CALL YOU NAMES

-Sid

 

[Rattledagger]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
Rattledagger, I did try, and start one unit. But for the life of me, I can;t figure how to configure BIONC for Rosetta. Please tolerate an old fart, and give me a quick lession... Maybe I will run it on more than one box.

Well, you didn't give me much info to work with...

The obvious one 1st. The BOINC-default is to only crunch then computer idle. So, if wu is downloaded, but doesn't start to run, this very likely is your problem. Try selecting Activity - Run Always.
If this works, just goto http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/prefs.php?subset=global
and change "Do work while computer is in use?" to YES, save, and in BOINC Manager select project, and hit Update.


If this isn't the problem, without more info just a couple general suggestions...
Firewall, make sure boinc.exe can use port-80 and port-31416.
Boincmgr.exe and boinc.scr possibly also needs access to port-31416.

You need to run BOINC Manager to "attach", if you've not attached to a project, it should bring-up this dialog on start-up. If this doesn't happen, select Tools - Attach to Project.

If you're behind a proxy, to configure proxy, select Advanced - Options - HTTP-tab.
Note, for a limited number of proxy-configurations, you need to run BOINC v5.8.xx.

Also, any messages in the Messages-tab? Copying these can point-out the problem.

BTW, I'm only familiar with windows, so if you're running unix/mac chances are I can't help you. Still, someone else likely will.

 

[Markfw]

I am attached, 2 projects running, 2 in the queue. But I wanted to go in and set all the user config stuff, and I don't even know what all this is. Like how many instances, priority, and anything else. I can;t say what I want to set, because I can't see or find the menu to configure it.

Win2K, Dual Opteron 248's 2 gig memory, and ??? What else is pertinent ?

Edit: That link is the only place to configure ??? I did change all the options I wanted there. Thanks for that ! And all the information for that matter !

 

[irishScott]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
I am attached, 2 projects running, 2 in the queue. But I wanted to go in and set all the user config stuff, and I don't even know what all this is. Like how many instances, priority, and anything else. I can;t say what I want to set, because I can't see or find the menu to configure it.

Win2K, Dual Opteron 248's 2 gig memory, and ??? What else is pertinent ?

Edit: That link is the only place to configure ??? I did change all the options I wanted there. Thanks for that ! And all the information for that matter !

You can only run as many instances as you have cores/processors.

Priority can be set by right-clicking the process in the task manager and selecting "SEt Priority"

And, you can also modify a few more settings (resource share, add/remove hosts, etc) by going to http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/login_form.php and logging in.

Note on the "resource share" option: This number is not a percentage. You can make it that way, but it works on whatever scale you define.

Ex: If you are running Rosetta, SETI, and Einstein, and you set each to 100 in the resource share option, they will each use 1/3 of your total processing time. I think this overwrites the "switch between applications" option but I'm not sure.

 

[Rattledagger]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
Edit: That link is the only place to configure ??? I did change all the options I wanted there. Thanks for that ! And all the information for that matter !

Yes, it's a little confusing the 1st. time that all configuration of preferences and so on is done on a web-page.
The very-soon-to-be-released v5.8.xx-clients includes a very limited selection of the General Preferences that is configurable in the BOINC-client, while v5.10.xx will include all General Preferences.

Your Account contains various info like total credit and so on, and various links to configuring the preferences and overview of your computers and so on.
You can have 4 separate preferences, or "venues", and each of your computers will belong to one of these venues.

The Computers-overview has various interesting info for each computer, like it's Credit and Last Contact, and a link to each computers currently assigned wu and resently-finished results. This list includes your cpu-time, and the "credit" or Cobblestones you've given for the result. Also shows if any error with result.


As for Priority, BOINC-projects runs at idle priority, so shouldn't interfere with other usage. There's no configuration to increase priority, like Folding-client includes. Also, there's little point to change priority in Task Manager, since next wu will have idle priority again.
As for cpu-throttling, this is included in v5.8.xx.