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[FearoftheNight]

I know this has been stated before but down to specifics I cannot decide which to get out of these 3 from excaliberpc.com.
AMD Athlon XP1700+ 1.47GHZ 384K 266 Tbred (TRAY)(JIUHB:0307VPMW) Model # AXDA1700DLT3C
AMD Athlon XP1700+ 1.47GHZ 384K 266 Tbred (TRAY)(JIUHB:0310UPMW) Model # AXDA1700DLT3C
AMD Athlon XP2100+ 1.73GHZ 384K 266 Tbred B (TRAY) (AIUHB:0302) Model # AXDA2100DUT3C

Based on this article Overclocking AMD
The 307 has an average overclock of up to 2300 mhz. Is this true and reliable?
But I also hear that 2100+ is a superior overclock in general. So which one should I get? Help me please!

 

[chizow]

Its a tough call, what's the price delta? I'm not sure how reliable the results you linked to are (I can't access it at work), but keep in mind that some people's set-ups and idea of "stable" may differ from yours. If it costs 2x for a potential 200MHz OC to go with the 2100+, then its up to you how you value that last little bit of performance. The newer 1700+'s have had very good results, but the differences in performance vary greatly; the 2100+'s Bs I've seen have all been excellent performers. The biggest concern I would have in buying a 1700+ for like $70 0307 instead of a 2100+ is if it only does say 2100MHz. I'd be very disappointed knowing that for only $15-$20 more, I could've gotten a 2100+ that reliably hits the 2300MHz range easily.

Chiz

 

[cyberia]

Related question: Are retail (boxed) processors give good overclocking results?

Based on excaliberpc.com's prices, a BOXED 2100+ is $30 more than a TRAY 1700+. If you add a HSF that you will need for the tray 1700+, isn't the boxed 2100+ a better deal?

The only case when it would not be is if it does not overclock AT ALL.

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: cyberia
Related question: Are retail (boxed) processors give good overclocking results?

Based on excaliberpc.com's prices, a BOXED 2100+ is $30 more than a TRAY 1700+. If you add a HSF that you will need for the tray 1700+, isn't the boxed 2100+ a better deal?

The only case when it would not be is if it does not overclock AT ALL.

From reports that I've read, the retail 2100+'s have been coming back as T-bred B's. Here's the caveat though: you need to make sure the vendor you order from has a relatively high inventory turnover rate. ExcaliberPC should be OK, but I think Newegg would be a safer bet. As for the stock fan, I wouldn't bother with it if you are looking to overclock. I would only get the retail over the OEM for the 3 year warranty, as it seems the retail only costs ~$3-5 more nowadays. Invest in a good heatsink now, and it'll last you for as long as you own a socket A motherboard. Some would argue that the 1700+ with the extra $30 spent on a heatsink would yield a better total clockspeed than a retail 2100+ with the stock cooling. It'd probably be close.

Chiz

 

[amcdonald]

To put it simply cyberia, retail means you get a stock HSF, a 3-year warranty, and it comes in a nice little plastic package.
The chip inside is the same as the OEM chip, and will overclock the same.
Fear, get the 2100+
Mine hits 2316 and I haven't really tried going crazy.
With a 1700+ you will most likely hit ~ghz, maybe more.
With a 2100+ you will most likely hit ~2.3ghz, maybe more

 

[human2k]

Ive got this one:
AMD Athlon XP2100+ 1.73GHZ 384K 266 Tbred B (TRAY) (AIUHB:0302) Model # AXDA2100DUT3C

Its a brownie from newegg, does 14 x 170MHZ @ 1.8V on EPox 8rda+ cooled with an SLK800+Sunnon 80MM along with Samsung PC2700 512mb. I wouldn't skimp on the cooling, get a SK7 at mininum.

 

[Shack70]

My vote goes tot he 2100+! I just got one from newegg(same stetting and all). Right out of the packing and into my asus Nforce2 MB, it does 12.5x166 to just break the 2.0 ghz mark. I still have to up the FSB and see how high it will go, but for $80 you cant beat 2ghz!

 

[FearoftheNight]

Originally posted by: chizow
Its a tough call, what's the price delta? I'm not sure how reliable the results you linked to are (I can't access it at work), but keep in mind that some people's set-ups and idea of "stable" may differ from yours. If it costs 2x for a potential 200MHz OC to go with the 2100+, then its up to you how you value that last little bit of performance. The newer 1700+'s have had very good results, but the differences in performance vary greatly; the 2100+'s Bs I've seen have all been excellent performers. The biggest concern I would have in buying a 1700+ for like $70 0307 instead of a 2100+ is if it only does say 2100MHz. I'd be very disappointed knowing that for only $15-$20 more, I could've gotten a 2100+ that reliably hits the 2300MHz range easily.

Chiz

Well chiz take a look at it later. I get the feeling that everyone is leaning towards the 2100 as a safer bet. As far as price it is no issues and if any chip can do 2300 mhz then I don't which one. I was just interested by the "average overclock 2300 mhz"...it almost implyed assured. Also impressed me because if so then thats almost a gighz OC for the 1700+. However if the 2100 is the safe bet than thats fine too. The stepping I provided is a good one though? Thanks.

Edit: Also does this also help? At least one of the 1700s I listed runs at a default voltage of 1.5.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

AMD Athlon XP2100+ 1.73GHZ 384K 266 Tbred B (TRAY) (AIUHB:0302) Model # AXDA2100DUT3C

That's the one I'm using and it's currently@2.375ghz@1.775v and I'll be pushing it higher once I've determined it's absolutely stable@this speed My 2100+ data

 

[FearoftheNight]

1 vote for 2100...bump

 

[fhetw]

if your on a budget the 0308 or 0309 1700+ dlt3c jiuhb is your best buy. you can get them from excaliber or atacom guarenteed.
you will probably have the better chance of hitting 2.4-2.5 on the 2100+ but the 1700+ are also very capable of this at a lower price.

 

[cyberia]

Read some reviews on newegg. It sounds like you have a better chance getting a good (overclocable) 2100+ (even a retail one) than a 1700+. The chance of getting a 1700+ Revision A is too high.

However, I am having second thoughts about getting a retail 2100+. How good that retail HSF is? I really do not see spending almost as much on a HSF as on the processor itself. SLK800 at atacom is like $45. Crazy! Almost as much as a RETAIL 1700+.

 

[MoFunk]

This one! Default 1.5 vcore! I have mine running at 2.2ghz on an 8RDA+ with air cooling. I am at 1.575volts and it is running full load 46c. Great chip and I think since I am running such a low voltage I still have plenty of headroom.

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: cyberia
Read some reviews on newegg. It sounds like you have a better chance getting a good (overclocable) 2100+ (even a retail one) than a 1700+. The chance of getting a 1700+ Revision A is too high.

However, I am having second thoughts about getting a retail 2100+. How good that retail HSF is? I really do not see spending almost as much on a HSF as on the processor itself. SLK800 at atacom is like $45. Crazy! Almost as much as a RETAIL 1700+.

Make sure you check the dates on those reviews that people are saying they are getting Rev. As. Newegg probably has the highest inventory turnover rate of any online e-tailer (excluding OEMs like Dell etc.), so once those As are gone, they'll be replaced by Bs.

About the HSF, the newer stock coolers are much better than previous versions and will allow for a modest OC. If you are serious about OC'ing, investing in a good HSF early is a good idea, as it will last you as long as you own a Socket A platform. Being an OC'er, I wouldn't buy a retail CPU for the stock HSF (although it would be nice to throw it on an older 60mm system), I'd buy it for the 3 year warranty for only a few bucks more ($5 or less last time I checked on most XPs). Of course this is all dependent on the chances of receiving a Rev. B, which again, are high at retailers like Newegg. For 2400+'s and above, you're guaranteed a B.

Shop around for the heatsink. There have been great deals in the past, such as the SLK-800 at SVC for $29.99 for 3-4 months. They've upped their prices to $35 for the clip mounted version and $38 for the bolt-mounted version, but its worth it IMO if you are looking to OC. Again, that last bit of performance is what costs you the most, so you'll have to decide if its worth it or not. If you are looking for very good performance at a low price point, you might want to check out the GC69 at SVC which I believe is under $15 for the heatsink and fan of your choice.

Chiz