Which CPU is faster? AXP 2500+ Barton or P4 2.8 Northwood?
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2.8c = $189
2500+ = $85
What do you think lol?
Not that price is the only thing to compare speed by but even the processor speed ratings don't match. I could understand asking between a 2800+ and a 2.8....but a 2500?
2500+ = $85
What do you think lol?
Not that price is the only thing to compare speed by but even the processor speed ratings don't match. I could understand asking between a 2800+ and a 2.8....but a 2500?
a 2500+ is slightly slower then a 2.5 Ghz revision B, but there is not much between a 2.8C to justify the costs. If your gaming and multitask then yes, otherwise go with the Hector and the lads
The Barton is under half the price and very very close to the Intel offering in games.
It's another story in encoding however. The intel offering just walks away from the AMD.
For gaming, I'd buy the AMD and save the extra $$ for a fster vid card. For encoding, the intel and a slower vid card.
It's another story in encoding however. The intel offering just walks away from the AMD.
For gaming, I'd buy the AMD and save the extra $$ for a fster vid card. For encoding, the intel and a slower vid card.
3chordcharlie
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If you don't have to buy the processor, the 2.8c, for sure.
If you do, it depends on the application; as others have said, get the AMD for gaming, so you can spend the savings on graphics, get the intel for encoding and/or multitasking.
If you do, it depends on the application; as others have said, get the AMD for gaming, so you can spend the savings on graphics, get the intel for encoding and/or multitasking.
Yeah, if you have to buy the processor new right now, I wouldn't get a 2.8C. An A64 2800+ is probably your best bet, or maybe a 3.0E if you already have an 865 or 875 S478 board.
Not only does the 2500+ lose to the 2.8c but in most cases the 3200+ could not beat the 2.8c....I had a 2500+ barton and even clocekd it to 3200+ at default vcore.....so needless to say I got to test both of them....
The on ly thing to consider is that the barton likely can be bought with mobo for cheaper and may be able to co to 2.2-2.3ghz levels...That being said a 2.8c very well could make it to 3.3ghz level....
Like mentioned above depends on apps for the real idea of performance.....
The on ly thing to consider is that the barton likely can be bought with mobo for cheaper and may be able to co to 2.2-2.3ghz levels...That being said a 2.8c very well could make it to 3.3ghz level....
Like mentioned above depends on apps for the real idea of performance.....
Duvie, I still have both. In gaming and office type applications the 2500+ Barton @ 3200+ speeds easily bests both 3.0GHz P4 systems I have. It comes very close to my 3.3GHz P4.
Now encoding is a different story.
Without overclocking the 2.8C is better. But with overclocking it gets close to even.
This said the price difference heavily favors the Barton 2500+.
I dont game but I will post some benchmarks later that show that wasn't the case for me and the apps I tested....It was lucky if it ever beat my cpu at 3.0ghz....
I ran a lot of HT aware apps but since I encode and render that was pretty much its advanatge...
POVray it barely beat the 2.4c
Cinebench it lost to the 2.4c
superpi2mb it tied the 3.0ghz
TMPGenc it lost to the 2.4c
Besweet Wav to Ac3 it tied the 3.0c
WMV9 is just beat the 2.4c
Divx5.1 it barely beat the 2.4c
Folding home on same project it was slower then 3.0c ( instance)
----2 instances would have dominated it like seti below
Seti it was below the 3.0c (1 instance)
Seti 2 instances it was below a 2.4c
I cant remember but I believe it was close to 3.0c with UT2003 demo the only game I could run and get marks on at the time...
When you consider that ANY mobile 2500 Barton can easily run at 2.4 GHz and cost significanly less than the Intel chip, the choice is way more difficult. I still think that the intel can hold it's own in encoding no matter what, but for gaming there is no comparison in this case and it's AMD all the way...
RussianSensation
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This is especially true for gaming. The reason why AXP was so popular is price/performance which was uncomparable at the time. But at equivalent speed ratings, 2.8C is about 20-30% faster than 2800+. Even Anand used to write that in his old Buyer Guides.
World of Warcraft
You can see P4 2.4HT easily matching AXP3200+ and leaving 2500+ in the dust in one of the more intensive games today. Surprisingly, I always tell everyone to focus on the GPU and not the CPU for gaming, but this particular game is highly sensitive to CPU speeds and it can be seen AXP is starting to lag behind severely. The difference between AXP 3200+ and P4 3.4ghz is much greater than between P4 3.4 and A64 4000+.
Doom 3
Situation starts to look real bad for AXP once we look at minimal framerates in Doom 3. Here AXP3000+ is not even breaking 20 frames min when P4 3.0ghz is around 30-31 frames.
Of course these are some exceptions where AXP suffers severely. For the most part a 2500+ can still play most modern games fine today. Here are some general CPU comparisons for games and other tasks:
Last Anandtech P4 vs. AXP comparison
The Mother of All CPU Charts Part 2
YOu can't compare those CPUs. the price difference is BIG. What if I compare a P4C 2.4 with an Athlon 64 2.800+, even if they costs the about the same the A642800+ is FAR superior.
bob4432
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i need to upgrada a xp2000 in a machine that has a biostar nforce2 ultra board, so i will probably get xp-m 2500 and decent hsf and push it to 3200 speeds to help my 2.8c@3.15(oem motherboard) do some encoding with dvd-rebuilder/cinema craft encoder basic/rbfarm - the best way(not easiest) to backup dvds 
Originally posted by: bob4432
i need to upgrada a xp2000 in a machine that has a biostar nforce2 ultra board, so i will probably get xp-m 2500 and decent hsf and push it to 3200 speeds to help my 2.8c@3.15(oem motherboard) do some encoding with dvd-rebuilder/cinema craft encoder basic/rbfarm - the best way(not easiest) to backup dvds
Isnt the best and easiest to use DVDshrink??? Most DVDs are dual layer now...Got soe dual layer media??? Otherwise using CCE make me think you are re-encoding it from something else other the a DVD....
How long does it take??? DVDshrink is under 20 minutes for most then whatever time for the dvd-bruner program based on the burner and the media you have...
bob4432
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Originally posted by: Duvie
Originally posted by: bob4432
i need to upgrada a xp2000 in a machine that has a biostar nforce2 ultra board, so i will probably get xp-m 2500 and decent hsf and push it to 3200 speeds to help my 2.8c@3.15(oem motherboard) do some encoding with dvd-rebuilder/cinema craft encoder basic/rbfarm - the best way(not easiest) to backup dvds
Isnt the best and easiest to use DVDshrink??? Most DVDs are dual layer now...Got soe dual layer media??? Otherwise using CCE make me think you are re-encoding it from something else other the a DVD....
How long does it take??? DVDshrink is under 20 minutes for most then whatever time for the dvd-bruner program based on the burner and the media you have...
using it from dvd, i use shrink if it is only about a 10-15% compression, after that i use dvd-rb/cce since it is a re-encoder. it takes quite a bit more time, usually ~2hrs on my 2.8c alone, ~1:25 when i add my xp2000 to the encoding process.
i did a complete backup of gladiator(i own and use it as one of my reference disc since it has dts es) which is a long movie. when i did the backup i chose all the audios and all the features of the disc. i did it with both shrink and dvd-rb/cce combo just for comparison. a friend of min has a ~$20,000 home stereo and we tested there to rule out my cheaper home audio/video components and the verdict is definately dvd-rb/cce if you want a whole movie with all the options. very close to the original in terms of video quality.
the same verdict with armageddon since it has a lot of special effects and you could easily see the quality issues when you compress with shrink too much.
even with just the movie alone dvd-rb/cce is better if you need to tanscode more than 10-20% with shrink.
i do agree that shrink is very easy and i have used it for more than a year, but this new way kicks @$$
i guess it is more of a geeky thing than anything else, also with dvd-rb you can setup batch encoding so i can have both of my machines working all night doing a couple different movies if i want to. i know i could either flash my nec 2500a or buy a dvd-dl drive, but the media is still pretty steep, and well, a lot of times i like to just learn about different things.
Didn't expect this topic would develop this quickly.
I own a P4 2.8/533FSB(not 2.8C). I bought it the first fews day when the first time when a 2.8GHz CPU hit the market. I probably got a early production sample because my mobo keeps thinking that my CPU support HT but HT has not even been announed at the time I bought the CPU. HT didn't come out until 1/2 year later with the P4 3.06GHz.
I ask the question though because my friend would keep telling how suck a P4 is and he can get better performance with a AMD 2500+.
I own a P4 2.8/533FSB(not 2.8C). I bought it the first fews day when the first time when a 2.8GHz CPU hit the market. I probably got a early production sample because my mobo keeps thinking that my CPU support HT but HT has not even been announed at the time I bought the CPU. HT didn't come out until 1/2 year later with the P4 3.06GHz.
I ask the question though because my friend would keep telling how suck a P4 is and he can get better performance with a AMD 2500+.
IIRC the PR ratings of AXPs compare pretty well to clockspeeds of 533FSB P4s, so your 2.8B might have an edge.
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