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Which car should my father buy?

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So the lease on my father's 2007 Camry Hybrid (75,000km) is about to expire at the end of this year. There's $2000 left on the car at this point. The car has been in 2 accidents (thanks to me 😳 😳 ) which makes it very hard to unload but it's otherwise in perfect condition. There's no way he's going to lease a car again, bad idea the first time. Oh and he's 63 and is looking to retire at around 68 or so, though given his habit of spending and not saving he may have to draw that out a few years more.

There are 2 cars he's looking at getting at this point.

The first is a used 2009 Camry Hybrid with 47,000 km on it. It has heated leather seats and a moon roof which his current car lacks. $23,000 (+ 12% tax). 5.5% interest over 5 years. $475/mth.

The other car is a new 2010 Prius, base model. $26,000 (+ 12% tax). This car would probably get something like 1/3 better gas millage than the Camry. 4.8% over 5 years $563/mth.

The Prius is new of course and costs more but gets better millage and will not need to be repaired as soon or as often. However it's a very basic base model and doesn't have some of the things like a good radio, and generally nicer "feeling" build quality that his current car has. The Camry on the other hand is used but is cheaper and is more my fathers style of car as he's gotten very used to the sedan feel and likes the extra bling on that model.

The 3rd option is to buy his current car out which would cost $18,000 all in (including taxes). But the warranty runs out at the end of this year and will likely start to age faster than the above 2.

Note about getting a hybrid. He wants a hybrid more for environmental reasons than the gas mileage, the the mileage matters too. Yeah I know ATOT will laugh at that but that's the way it is.

Note 2: I posted this in OT and the consensus seems to be not to get a hybrid. Either get a small compact or a regular Sedan. Several suggested the Ford Fusion and also the Hybrid version of the Fusion which I have now suggested to my father as well.
 
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so any reason not to pay 2k and drive that car to the ground? The entire argument for hybrid is tons of mileage.
 
so any reason not to pay 2k and drive that car to the ground? The entire argument for hybrid is tons of mileage.

That's not how lease works, he has $2k left in payments until his lease expires, at which point they will offer him a purchase option typically. The optional purchase price is usually a rape job at or above average market value.

OP, I don't recommend Camry Hybrid, the fuel economy is just incredibly disappointing, and more money is actually saved by getting the i4 Camry vs. the massive premium up-front cost of the Hybrid. You're talking a difference between ~33ish mixed MPG for the Hybrid, and ~28-29 mixed MPG for the i4, at a minimal $6k savings.

The current gen Fusion is indeed superior in every way to the current Camry, but the Camry will almost certainly see a totally new generation for the 2012 model year coming next summer/fall.
 
That's not how lease works, he has $2k left in payments until his lease expires, at which point they will offer him a purchase option typically. The optional purchase price is usually a rape job at or above average market value.

OP, I don't recommend Camry Hybrid, the fuel economy is just incredibly disappointing, and more money is actually saved by getting the i4 Camry vs. the massive premium up-front cost of the Hybrid. You're talking a difference between ~33ish mixed MPG for the Hybrid, and ~28-29 mixed MPG for the i4, at a minimal $6k savings.

The current gen Fusion is indeed superior in every way to the current Camry, but the Camry will almost certainly see a totally new generation for the 2012 model year coming next summer/fall.


I thought he meant the residual is 2k... my mistake.
 
That's all that's stopping you from getting a Lexus, good on you if so.

Honestly, I don't know why I didn't just get an Lexus ES to begin with. I put enough money into my V6 to cost more than a new ES anyway. But, they are the exact same car.. the ES just looks better.
 
Fusion Hybrid starts at $34k which is out of his price range. Would like to talk him out of getting a hybrid but that's not all that likely. If he HAS to get a hybrid which option would you go for? The 09 Camry or the new Prius?
 
Fusion Hybrid starts at $34k which is out of his price range. Would like to talk him out of getting a hybrid but that's not all that likely. If he HAS to get a hybrid which option would you go for? The 09 Camry or the new Prius?

He should drive the Prius.

The 2010 Camry Hybrid looks good though.

toyota-camry-hybrid_1.jpg


The Prius will sadly never look much more than a Pikachu. Which, you know, Pikachu is cute.

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Fusion Hybrid starts at $34k which is out of his price range. Would like to talk him out of getting a hybrid but that's not all that likely. If he HAS to get a hybrid which option would you go for? The 09 Camry or the new Prius?

If he's willing to do a used Camry hybrid, would he check out a used Fusion hybrid? It really is a great deal better until the next-gen Camry at least. I've seen lots of examples with less than 10k miles for well under $30k, and virtually all of them are loaded.

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.j...&pager.offset=150&cardist=1216&standard=false

Btw, the premium audio in the Fusion is about as good as I've ever heard a stock system. My bro's 4G TL was previously the best, but I think this ties it at least.

Read this, and if possible, have him read this, good comparo of all the hybrids in this range :

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...ima_hybrid_and_malibu_hybrid-comparison_tests
 
The sonata hybrid looks pretty cool, ive seen the prototypes driving around here.

They 10000000% ripped off the Audi LED running lights though, they're even in the same shape.
 
The sonata hybrid looks pretty cool, ive seen the prototypes driving around here.

They 10000000% ripped off the Audi LED running lights though, they're even in the same shape.

Seems to be the new thing. Theres a lot of people trying to copy it.

I also agree with your reply in the other thread.

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The sonata hybrid looks pretty cool, ive seen the prototypes driving around here.

They 10000000% ripped off the Audi LED running lights though, they're even in the same shape.

IIRC, Kia/Hyundai hired a lead Audi stylist fairly recently, which combined with the even higher than average affinity from Asian automakers for being derivitive probably accounts for that. That's not necessarily a dig, sometimes being derivitive is a matter of stealing good ideas 😛
 
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