Wheres the thermistor in my PSU?

letdown427

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I read an article over at SPCR, whereby the reviewers PSU had the thermistor 'glued' to some component that inevitably got hot as part of normal usage, and so, once the PSU had been on for say 10minutes, the fan sped up, and it would stay sped up, regardless of temps inside the PSU.

I get the distinct impression that this is happening with my PSU aswell, it's a Hiper 580w. (they're fairly reputable in the UK, it's ain't no Ultra P.O.S!)

My reasons for thinking this are that although it does stay quiet for some time, eventually the 80mm fan ramps up (can be made to ramp up quickly by generally increasing case temps though...?) and then just will not go down again.

The PC was on overnight, the room temp was about 18degrees, CPU at 29/30, hard disk at 32, motherboard reading at about 23, basically, everything is frickin' freezing, I put my hand behind the 80mm, and it's blowing out cool air from the PSU, but alas it's still running away at 2,500rpm.

I've had a look around inside, and can't see anything obvious, so was hoping, somehow, someone knew where it is? Or had any tips on helping me find the bastard.

My other options are to remove the 80mm and just let the 120mm in there do its job, or to get a resistor in there to limit how fast it can go.

In another article, the topic of two fans was discussed, and gave me the impression that perhaps that 80mm is just in there in case the 120mm fails, and that it probably isn't helping airflow, and may well be limiting it? Given that about 30mm of the 80mm fan is sucking air directly from the side of the 120mm casing, I don't think it's really doing a whole lot, any thoughts?

For reading that, have a :cookie: on me.



OK, that was long, cliffs:

-Where's the thermistor in my Hiper 580w PSU?
-Any ideas where it might be if you don't know?
-Given that 30mm of that 80mm fan is just sucking air from the 120mm fans case, and is probably pushing much less CFM than the 120mm fan, would I be better off removing it altogether? I'm definately thinking get that sucka outta there at the moment, but would welcome some advice.


Thanks very much.
 

Zepper

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The thermistor is often on a little piece of PCB attached to one of the heat sinks in the PSU. Other times you might just see a lump of hi-temp silicone goop on a heatsink with a couple wires coming out of it - and that would be your thermistor. I often just bring the fan leads out the front of the PSU and connect them to my own manual fan controller and set it to my satisfaction re. exhaust air temp/noise and fageddaboudit..

.bh.
 

letdown427

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There is a yellow wire that goes into the part f the PCB where the fan is connected, and it is yellow gooped to another part of the PCB, but it looks like it's gooped to a resistor?

I might have a fanmate spare, it depends on whether my soon to be installed Ultra-D will allow me to control fan speeds via software. It should do shouldn't it? If so, I'll just use a fan mate on the 80mm and fageddaboouuudit :)
 

Zepper

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I was going to say that the thermistor can also be built into the fan - a little thing that sticks up into the exhaust air stream (called a local sensor) or can be on a couple of extra wires to the fan (called a remote sensor).

.bh.
 

GalvanizedYankee

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Whoa!! Easy there grasshopper. Because you requested via PM I did a little looking and I'm sure Zepper will find some substance in what I offer.

Zepper monitors his fans well and uses a PSU with an external 92mm fan. I too modded a PSU for an external 92 to replace a high rpm 80mm. CFM was not sacrificed in the deal but dBA was reduced considerably. My unit has a thermal control for voltage. When cool the fan gets 8.3V, the thermistor is bonded into the farthest part of the heat sink from the fan. To cool this far cornor of the PSU, an 80mm @ 25cfm was bonded onto the intake grill of the *CROSS FLOW* PSU. Your Hiper is *DOWN FLOW*. (across the sinks or down onto the sinks)

Read this review of your unit http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/other/display/foxconn-hiper.html
Based on reading this review. I would just remove the offending fan and seal off most of the perforated sides of the PSU. If you slow down the 80mm fan it will offer restriction to the 120's output and much of the cooling air will just recirculate around the PSU. A bit of thin cardboard and tape on the inside can block most of these holes. Doing it this way will not impact eye appeal. It would be best to unplug the PSU from the wall, then turn it on for a bit before removing it from the rig. The 120 fan should drive between 65~85cfm. The label should state .30~.34A. Do not under rate this fan.
I would leave the top most row of holes open on each side.

?Question? Why are these holes present? Why do some down flow PSUs have openings to the front that will blow into the case?
Answer: To break up stagnant hot air at the top of the box ;) The new M12 Seasonics have a slow speed 60mm fan at PSU front that blows into the case for this very reason.

Questions? Y or N.

...Galvanized
 

letdown427

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Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
I would just remove the offending fan and seal off most of the perforated sides of the PSU. If you slow down the 80mm fan it will offer restriction to the 120's output and much of the cooling air will just recirculate around the PSU.

I would leave the top most row of holes open on each side.

Questions? Y

...Galvanized

That's what I'd been wondering about.

Thanks very much, I'll take out that whining fan and make sure those side holes are covered, leaving a row or two open at the top of the PSU yeah?

Thanks again for the help! :)


 

dunkster

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The problem may also be due to negative case air pressure.

Since most PS are designed to draw air from the case:
- Negative case air pressure tends to stall air flow through PS.
- PS quickly warms.
- PS thermal sensor ramps fan speed up.
- Since PS fans are not effective, fans continue to run at high speed.

Hope this helps!
 

letdown427

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THanks for the input. I'm going to get that slimline 80mm PITA outta there tonight, and hey, if I smell burning, I'll consider putting it back in! ;)
 

GalvanizedYankee

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The point he was making. Does your case have negative pressure.? Do you just use case
exhaust to ventilate the case.? Because a high out put 120 fan just below the PSU's fan
can starve the PSU for air...Got it??


...Galvanized
 

letdown427

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It's a low RPM (about 950) 120mm below the PSU, I can post pics if necessary, although probably not tonight, as I'm changing motherboards tonight.

Intake is a 140mm at the front bottom (if you will) and then the CPU fan, which is a scythe ninja, has a direct path to open air via two large vents I've cut into the case door, and nothing in the lower two 5.25 bays.

The CPU fan is definately taking in some air through these vents, as before cutting them, I could drop CPU temps by 5degrees by opening the door, then knock it back up again by closing it. I've removed the bay covers aswell by the way...