Where's the Outrage Now?

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: glenn1

Where's the Outrage Now?

It's dead, buried out in the backyard next to the liberal outrage that Bustamonte has ties to a racist, seperatist movement. It's like both sides had a mutual suicide pact.

R.I.P. outrage and political principles, all hail and long live winning at any cost.

Are you a Californian, I didn't look. I heard this aired on public radio. The word I got was that the separatist org was an Hispanic self help group to which large numbers of hispanics belonged who were, are, in college, and that the doctrine in question was not a part of the body of belief. It was some aspect's point ov view and people belonged not because of it but because of the support for hispanic students. It's pretty histerical to feature the Lt Gov of Calif wanting to be a part of Mexico if for no other reason than what I would imagine would be a considerable cut in pay. I think the issue was bogus, but maybe I'm a hypocrit. I just don't see it though and I could care less what's the truth. I got no pony in this race.

 

[glenn1]

Are you a Californian, I didn't look.

Nope. I originally heard it on the radio as well. I don't speak or read Spanish so I have no choice but to rely on the reports about the organization, needless to say they don't have an English website. But everything i've heard and read directly contradicts the idea that this is just a support group... this isn't some touchy-feely identity affiliation group. Their motto (translated) is "For our race, everything. For others, nothing." They advocate the violent overthrow of the United States government and establishment of a "Republica de Norta" (Republic of the North) seperate from both Mexico and the U.S, and encompassing most of the U.S. Southwest (California, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, and i think Colorado).

 

[heartsurgeon]

a Republic attack on a president over consentual relations

well lets review that statement for a moment....
the whole mess started (and i use the word loosely) with Paula Jones..
he is the Gov. of Arkansas, has a state trooper her (a state employee) up to his hotel room where he
waves his willie at her and asks her if she wants to suck it....

that's "consensual sex?" i guess i didn't know that..

For the record Paula Jones won a high 6 figure settlement for a harassment suit, and Clinton got disbarred for perjury..
he was impeached on the basis of four articles of impeachment
which in summary were
1) Perjury before a Grand Jury
2) Perjury in the Paula Jones case
3) Obstruction of Justice
4) Abuse of power (perjurous statements to Congress)

Clinton was impeached for lying under oath and telling others to lie under oath.
He was not impeached for "consensual sex"..

and then there's the whole Juanita Brodderick (alleged rape), and Kathleen Wiley (alleged fondling) thing,
which if true doesn't seem very "consensual" to me.

did Arnold fondle some women who didn't want to be? I don't know, I only know hearsay. There are laws and penalties to deal with any allegations if they are proven in the courts. Usually these type of cases are not prosecuted criminally, but are pursued in civil suits (go for the money). I am SURE that if any of these ladies has
a legitimate case against Arnold, the lawyers will get plenty of money out of Arnold to restore their dignity.....

 

[LunarRay]

It almost seems like the test of character is based on how similar one persons acts are to another's. This seems a rather backward way to view things. How about a look see at the law. Clinton did XYZ and that violated the law and his oath of office. Arnold admitted doing something and there are allegations he did other things which are or were illegal if true. Battery (sexual) is a misdemeanor or could be a felony if it meets certain tests at the time of the alleged offense (s). Is the Attorney General or District Attorney of the County (s) looking into bringing a bill of indictment? I doubt it. If he does then we have an issue and if he don't then we don't. If the statute has run limiting prosecution of the allegations and the authorities say they would prosecute 'but for' and Arnold does not admit to them then we may have an issue. Otherwise Clinton and Kennedy did much the same in office but, Clinton lied and may have lied under oath if his admission to that crime was the truth..

 

[ElFenix]

jebus this thread is full of ad hominem attacks

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: LunarRay
It almost seems like the test of character is based on how similar one persons acts are to another's. This seems a rather backward way to view things. How about a look see at the law. Clinton did XYZ and that violated the law and his oath of office. Arnold admitted doing something and there are allegations he did other things which are or were illegal if true. Battery (sexual) is a misdemeanor or could be a felony if it meets certain tests at the time of the alleged offense (s). Is the Attorney General or District Attorney of the County (s) looking into bringing a bill of indictment? I doubt it. If he does then we have an issue and if he don't then we don't. If the statute has run limiting prosecution of the allegations and the authorities say they would prosecute 'but for' and Arnold does not admit to them then we may have an issue. Otherwise Clinton and Kennedy did much the same in office but, Clinton lied and may have lied under oath if his admission to that crime was the truth..

that SoL has probably run

 

[NesuD]

I'm outraged by the idea that rather than trolling for threads to crap on you simply start all these crappy threads. The hypocrisy is overwhelming!

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: NesuD
I'm outraged by the idea that rather than trolling for threads to crap on you simply start all these crappy threads. The hypocrisy is overwhelming!

Don't like it, don't read it. Public forum...

 

[Jmman]

Originally posted by: Gaard
I'm assuming these women didn't want to bother with the law. Either back then or now. Clearly, the reason they came forward was political. They had dirt on a politician and used the dirt to cause harm/embarrassment to him. It was an attempt to hurt his chances of winning the governorship, plain and simple. Now, who will be the first one here to tell me that dirty politics/political smears belong strictly to one party?

Rush
Wilson (and his wife)
Arnold
Clark
Bush
Clinton
Lott

Yep.......the republicans and the democrats are simply two sides of the same coin........

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: BOBDN
"So yes - if it happened in the past - I'd tell them that."

You are full of sh!t, a liar and if your admission above was true a bad husband and father.

You would actually tell your wife or daughter, the victim of someone like Schwarzenegger, that they should have reported it when it happened. After they were molested.

You are the reason people get away with sexual harrassment and abuse. I want you to tell your wife what you said here. I'd like to see her reaction. Go tell her now that if your daughter came to you and told you about a past episode of sexual abuse you'd tell your daughter she should have reported it when it happened.

Then call a good divorce lawyer because NO mother would allow anyone to treat her children like that. And no father would either.

You are a whore for the likes of Schwarzenegger and Limpbaugh too. You make excuses for their behavior while you attack others whose behavior doesn't even rise to the abonimable level of your heros.

You are a hypocrite and a disgrace.

No, YOU are the disgrace. NO WHERE DID I SAY THAT I WOULDN'T BE PISSED ABOUT IT. I also stated that my wife knows enough to say what happened right away and we are instilling those same types of qualities in my daughter. Anyone who doesn't instill those types of things in their daughters should look at themselves and question the job they did raising them. These women did nothing until they were dug up and used as pawns in a political game - THAT is the disgrace. My wife knows how I feel about this situation and whole heartedly agrees with my take on this. Again, my statements do not say that we wouldn't be pissed or take legal action - it only means that if you are wronged - you need to address it IMMEDIATELY.

Heh - I find it funny that you think I'm making excuses for Arnold and Rush. If you'd actually READ what I post instead of letting your bias read it - you might be able to understand what I say. Rush is taking responsibility for his problem and is doing what is necessary to correct his charactor flaws(addiction), the rest of the legal stuff will be sorted out by the authorities - NOT YOU and your knee jerk ASSumptions. Now to Arnold - IF you would read what I said you'll note that I didn't make excuses for his actions, I only started out by asking WHY they didn't come forward sooner...like when the LAW could have done something about it. Their actions now only make them sound like petty pawns in a political game. NONE of what I said even closely resembled making excuses for Arnold.

Nice try BOBDN, but your rantings don't fit...AGAIN Please learn to read what people say and try to understand the context of the statement instead of jumping to arrogant conclusions.

CkG

 

[bjc112]

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Originally posted by: Lucky
I'm outraged....at the women who accused him and at the L.A. Times for their left-wing witch hunt. That good enough for you?

Right... It's the women's fault that Arnold groped them.

and the LA times fault for doing their jobs as investigative reporters.

I'm willing to bet that they were attracted and willing to do "something" with a HUGE body builder..

When your huge like that, you can get the females to flock...

Ya, the LA times are doing their jobs running a smear against Arnold...

 

[Tab]

Didnt this happen twenty five years ago?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Tabb
Didnt this happen twenty five years ago?

(*&^()_(& 2003-2000=3......um, no.

 

[Moonbeam]

Can Arnold govern from jail?

 

[Pers]

Originally posted by: tk149

Originally posted by: Ldir

Originally posted by: tk149
Clinton lied under oath, lied to his staffers, and lied on national TV to the American people, not for national security, not to aid the country in any way, but to cover his own a$$. That's why I'm mad at Clinton.

Arnold has not been proven to have done any of these things. If he does, you can be sure I'll be mad at him too. Until then, BOBDN, you're just launching YAPAWNS (Yet Another Partisan Attack With No Substance).

Ho hum. Everyone lies about sex. It is wrong. It is not a scandal.

Lying under oath during a grand jury investigation is "Ho hum?" I can only question your values and hope that you're never a witness in any kind of trial.

that's all republicans/conservatives do all day

question other peoples values...

how about youlook in the mirror and quit worrying about the rest of us? thanks

 

[Pers]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
Yes hypocrisy indeed.

Clinton had consensual sex, and denied it. He got impeached, now Arnold has sexually assaulted women in the past, freely admits it and now gets elected governor.

Not to mention Bush Co. lied about the War in Iraq, lied about Iraq trying to get nukes, lied about Iraq-Al-qeada ties, commited treason by exposing an CIA operative. If he were a democrat he would be impeached to hell.

That's the hypocrisy of your typical American "conservative" these days. Sex is evil. Sex is offensive. Sex is obscene. Violence and lying and treason are all OK, especially if it's a Republican. But, let a statue bare a breast and there will be hell to pay.

If Bush and Rumsfeld and Rice kill 10,000 innocent people, that's cool. Let's all watch the gory details on the 6:00 news. If they lie about it? Well, that's OK too; we trust them and know they must have good reasons. Put them in a threesome, however, and the pseudo-conservatives will torch Washington in their mock outrage. ("Mock" because half of them are sexual deviants privately, they just put on public airs about their sexual piety.)

But I digress. It's one of my pet peeves about the increasingly self-righteous right. They'll munch popcorn with the kids while people are graphically decapitated, but let a woman flash a breast and they'll march out of the theater. It's not just hypocrisy, it's stupidity.

omg can i shake your hand?

that was just brilliant

 

[Pers]

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: BOBDN
Well, this is about what I expected.

Hypocrites.

One more question.

What would all you hypocrites be saying if Arnold had been groping your wives or daughters?

Ah yes - the typical liberal responses.

The dirty politicing that went on this past week was disgusting - period. IF these women have serious cases against Arnold then why weren't they brought out before hand....when the law could have done something about them?
Hmmm...politics at it's finest...I mean worst:disgust:

CkG

It seems everyone in bodybuilding and movies knew Arnold was a boor. Should the women Arnold molested have risked their careers by complaining? Because you know damn well they would have been attacked for reporting Arnold's sexual harrassment.

But at least he wasn't running for governor. When he decided to take his abusive sex act to the governor's race the women who had to stay silent finally said enough.

Don't blame the victims. It isn't their fault. Arnold should have kept his hands to himself.

No one answered my question.

What would you all be saying if it was your wife or your daughter Arnold molested?

So they didn't report it because they'd be attack because he was an actor, but since he was a politician they think that they will be treated differently? The ONLY reason these women came forward when they did was because it was used as a political attack. Now AGAIN - this doesn't mean that there isn't substance to their claims - only their(or someone else's) intent with the claims.
I DID NOT blame the "victims" - reading is funduhmental They should have brought these allegations up when they had the law there to help them.

BOBDN - do you still beat your wife?

Your question is wrong because it is only takes into account emotion - and skips logic. The logical parent would say that while it was wrong for him to do such things, their daughter should have reported things at a time when the authorities could have done something about it on the legal end.

CkG

The last time I raised my hand to a female was 46 years ago. We were waiting for the school bus and a girl in my neighborhood hit me. I hit her back just as the bus arrived. The bus driver told me not to hit girls. I haven't hit one since.

Unlike Arnold I learned to respect the opposite sex at a very early age.

Are you a parent? Or just a liar?

If your daughter or wife told you someone molested them in the past you'd tell them they should have reported it when it happened?

You are either the world's worst husband and father or you are completely full of sh!t. Or quite possibly both.

hahah i love this



is this trend not at all obvious?

the conservatives pulling stuff out their a$$....in a desperate attempt to defend the morons they stay loyal to.

 

[Pers]

Originally posted by: bjc112

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Originally posted by: Lucky
I'm outraged....at the women who accused him and at the L.A. Times for their left-wing witch hunt. That good enough for you?

Right... It's the women's fault that Arnold groped them.

and the LA times fault for doing their jobs as investigative reporters.

I'm willing to bet that they were attracted and willing to do "something" with a HUGE body builder..

When your huge like that, you can get the females to flock...

Ya, the LA times are doing their jobs running a smear against Arnold...

so by that logic, Kobe didn't rape the chick either?

oh wait. kobe's black and the chick was white. let's burn him!

right?


heh

 

[BOBDN]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon

a Republic attack on a president over consentual relations

well lets review that statement for a moment....
the whole mess started (and i use the word loosely) with Paula Jones..
he is the Gov. of Arkansas, has a state trooper her (a state employee) up to his hotel room where he
waves his willie at her and asks her if she wants to suck it....

that's "consensual sex?" i guess i didn't know that..

For the record Paula Jones won a high 6 figure settlement for a harassment suit, and Clinton got disbarred for perjury..
he was impeached on the basis of four articles of impeachment
which in summary were
1) Perjury before a Grand Jury
2) Perjury in the Paula Jones case
3) Obstruction of Justice
4) Abuse of power (perjurous statements to Congress)

Clinton was impeached for lying under oath and telling others to lie under oath.
He was not impeached for "consensual sex"..

and then there's the whole Juanita Brodderick (alleged rape), and Kathleen Wiley (alleged fondling) thing,
which if true doesn't seem very "consensual" to me.

did Arnold fondle some women who didn't want to be? I don't know, I only know hearsay. There are laws and penalties to deal with any allegations if they are proven in the courts. Usually these type of cases are not prosecuted criminally, but are pursued in civil suits (go for the money). I am SURE that if any of these ladies has
a legitimate case against Arnold, the lawyers will get plenty of money out of Arnold to restore their dignity.....

Uh huh. So Paula Jones comes in years after a supposed "attack" and after being funded by right wing Arkansas conservatives to report a supposed incident in a hotel room.

Why is it the right wing is criticizing the women who came forward to report Arnold's abuse over a twenty year period yet the same right wing finances a fishing expedition to find people who are willing to make accusations against President Clinton years after the fact. If Paula Jones had a valid complaint years after the fact why do the same people who support her telling her story attack the women who are telling their stories about Arnold?

It's just more right wing hypocrisy. What a disgrace.

 

[BOBDN]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: BOBDN
"So yes - if it happened in the past - I'd tell them that."

You are full of sh!t, a liar and if your admission above was true a bad husband and father.

You would actually tell your wife or daughter, the victim of someone like Schwarzenegger, that they should have reported it when it happened. After they were molested.

You are the reason people get away with sexual harrassment and abuse. I want you to tell your wife what you said here. I'd like to see her reaction. Go tell her now that if your daughter came to you and told you about a past episode of sexual abuse you'd tell your daughter she should have reported it when it happened.

Then call a good divorce lawyer because NO mother would allow anyone to treat her children like that. And no father would either.

You are a whore for the likes of Schwarzenegger and Limpbaugh too. You make excuses for their behavior while you attack others whose behavior doesn't even rise to the abonimable level of your heros.

You are a hypocrite and a disgrace.

No, YOU are the disgrace. NO WHERE DID I SAY THAT I WOULDN'T BE PISSED ABOUT IT. I also stated that my wife knows enough to say what happened right away and we are instilling those same types of qualities in my daughter. Anyone who doesn't instill those types of things in their daughters should look at themselves and question the job they did raising them. These women did nothing until they were dug up and used as pawns in a political game - THAT is the disgrace. My wife knows how I feel about this situation and whole heartedly agrees with my take on this. Again, my statements do not say that we wouldn't be pissed or take legal action - it only means that if you are wronged - you need to address it IMMEDIATELY.

Heh - I find it funny that you think I'm making excuses for Arnold and Rush. If you'd actually READ what I post instead of letting your bias read it - you might be able to understand what I say. Rush is taking responsibility for his problem and is doing what is necessary to correct his charactor flaws(addiction), the rest of the legal stuff will be sorted out by the authorities - NOT YOU and your knee jerk ASSumptions. Now to Arnold - IF you would read what I said you'll note that I didn't make excuses for his actions, I only started out by asking WHY they didn't come forward sooner...like when the LAW could have done something about it. Their actions now only make them sound like petty pawns in a political game. NONE of what I said even closely resembled making excuses for Arnold.

Nice try BOBDN, but your rantings don't fit...AGAIN Please learn to read what people say and try to understand the context of the statement instead of jumping to arrogant conclusions.

CkG

So you and your ilk, the Rush listeners and such, find it deplorable women would come forward years after a case of abuse to report it. Kinda' like Paula Jones?

But oh, wait a minute. You people all supported Paula Jones.

Fvcking hypocrites. Every one of you.

Just like your hero Limpbaugh. Checks himself into a rehab because he needs help with his addiction. If any of us were involved in the illegal drug trade Rush was involved in we'd be in jail. Just another conservative double standard.

Maybe the tight-assed leaders you support should legalize pot. Rush could have smoked a few doobies to take care of his pain and not run the risk of narcotic addiction.

 

[Gaard]

<< Rush is taking responsibility for his problem and is doing what is necessary to correct his charactor flaws(addiction), the rest of the legal stuff will be sorted out by the authorities >>

One has to wonder if this whole fiasco hadn't have occured if Rush would be taking responsibility for his problem and is doing what is necessary to correct his charactor flaws(addiction).

 

[heartsurgeon]

If Paula Jones had a valid complaint years after the fact why do the same people who support her telling her story attack the women who are telling their stories about Arnold?

well lets examine this statement for accuracy..

i don't remember reading anything anywhere attacking the WOMEN who are complaining about Arnold..I only remember comments about Gray Davis having a history of running
mudslinging campaigns, and lots of comments about the LA Times reporting appearing very bias..

i don't recall any articles/comments calling the accusers bimbo's, liars, crazy, sluts, any of the stuff Clinton and his team called his accusers..indeed, Arnold (unlike Clinton) stated that he may actually have done some of those things he was accused of, and apologized.

and, in fact, i don't recall reading anything anywhere that actually defended Arnold's alleged behavior. I believe the commentary has been about the unlimited gaul of the liberals trying to spin history/facts stating Clinton's alleged acts where "consensual sex", while Arnolds alleged acts were "assault"

oh please, try to get your facts right...it's exhausting to have to point out every factual error liberals make in their heart-felt rants...

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: BOBDN
"So yes - if it happened in the past - I'd tell them that."

You are full of sh!t, a liar and if your admission above was true a bad husband and father.

You would actually tell your wife or daughter, the victim of someone like Schwarzenegger, that they should have reported it when it happened. After they were molested.

You are the reason people get away with sexual harrassment and abuse. I want you to tell your wife what you said here. I'd like to see her reaction. Go tell her now that if your daughter came to you and told you about a past episode of sexual abuse you'd tell your daughter she should have reported it when it happened.

Then call a good divorce lawyer because NO mother would allow anyone to treat her children like that. And no father would either.

You are a whore for the likes of Schwarzenegger and Limpbaugh too. You make excuses for their behavior while you attack others whose behavior doesn't even rise to the abonimable level of your heros.

You are a hypocrite and a disgrace.

No, YOU are the disgrace. NO WHERE DID I SAY THAT I WOULDN'T BE PISSED ABOUT IT. I also stated that my wife knows enough to say what happened right away and we are instilling those same types of qualities in my daughter. Anyone who doesn't instill those types of things in their daughters should look at themselves and question the job they did raising them. These women did nothing until they were dug up and used as pawns in a political game - THAT is the disgrace. My wife knows how I feel about this situation and whole heartedly agrees with my take on this. Again, my statements do not say that we wouldn't be pissed or take legal action - it only means that if you are wronged - you need to address it IMMEDIATELY.

Heh - I find it funny that you think I'm making excuses for Arnold and Rush. If you'd actually READ what I post instead of letting your bias read it - you might be able to understand what I say. Rush is taking responsibility for his problem and is doing what is necessary to correct his charactor flaws(addiction), the rest of the legal stuff will be sorted out by the authorities - NOT YOU and your knee jerk ASSumptions. Now to Arnold - IF you would read what I said you'll note that I didn't make excuses for his actions, I only started out by asking WHY they didn't come forward sooner...like when the LAW could have done something about it. Their actions now only make them sound like petty pawns in a political game. NONE of what I said even closely resembled making excuses for Arnold.

Nice try BOBDN, but your rantings don't fit...AGAIN Please learn to read what people say and try to understand the context of the statement instead of jumping to arrogant conclusions.

CkG

So you and your ilk, the Rush listeners and such, find it deplorable women would come forward years after a case of abuse to report it. Kinda' like Paula Jones?

But oh, wait a minute. You people all supported Paula Jones.

Fvcking hypocrites. Every one of you.

Just like your hero Limpbaugh. Checks himself into a rehab because he needs help with his addiction. If any of us were involved in the illegal drug trade Rush was involved in we'd be in jail. Just another conservative double standard.

Maybe the tight-assed leaders you support should legalize pot. Rush could have smoked a few doobies to take care of his pain and not run the risk of narcotic addiction.

No, what you fail to understand here is that I have not said anything about the guilt or innocence of Arnold, but that the problem is that it seems that there is no legal recourse for them since they waited so long. Not only did they wait too long, they let themselves be used as political pawns. Just like with the Rush situation - IF these allegations are true then the authorities should do what is appropriate, if that includes charges to be filed against Arnold - so be it.

No BOBDN - You are the hypocrite, YOU are the disgrace, YOU are the partisan hack.
Get over yourself already.

CkG

 

[XZeroII]

Originally posted by: BOBDN
From a Republic attack on a president over consentual relations to a governor who assaulted women the Republic Party shows their true colors again.

Hypocrites.

I hope the women Arnold assaulted bring charges against him.

From the Washington Post.

Where's the Outrage Now?

Look in the mirror once in awhile. You're probably the biggest hypocrite here...and you have the nerve to call OTHERS a hypocrite! I don't think he even knows what hypocrite means! How can you say that republicans are hypocrites based on the evidence shown? You are misconstuing the situation, then putting words into republicans mouths.

First, only a truly stupid person (BOBDN) would think that the whole impeachment thing was simply because of adultry. You have a real comprehention problem if you think that. The problem was that he LIED UNDER OATH. Do you know what that means, little boy? He lied and obstructed justice. Those are serious crimes. Now if you can show us that Arnold did the same thing, and republicans defended him for it, then you have a valid arguement, but you don't. Thus your entire position is faulty.

Also, those allegations by those women were never proven in court. I could just go out on the street and start saying that BOBDN raped my daughter and it would be just as plausible.



Get off these boards if all you're gonna do is spread your ignorance.

 

[BOBDN]

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: BOBDN
From a Republic attack on a president over consentual relations to a governor who assaulted women the Republic Party shows their true colors again.

Hypocrites.

I hope the women Arnold assaulted bring charges against him.

From the Washington Post.

Where's the Outrage Now?

Look in the mirror once in awhile. You're probably the biggest hypocrite here...and you have the nerve to call OTHERS a hypocrite! I don't think he even knows what hypocrite means! How can you say that republicans are hypocrites based on the evidence shown? You are misconstuing the situation, then putting words into republicans mouths.

First, only a truly stupid person (BOBDN) would think that the whole impeachment thing was simply because of adultry. You have a real comprehention problem if you think that. The problem was that he LIED UNDER OATH. Do you know what that means, little boy? He lied and obstructed justice. Those are serious crimes. Now if you can show us that Arnold did the same thing, and republicans defended him for it, then you have a valid arguement, but you don't. Thus your entire position is faulty.

Also, those allegations by those women were never proven in court. I could just go out on the street and start saying that BOBDN raped my daughter and it would be just as plausible.



Get off these boards if all you're gonna do is spread your ignorance.

Your twisting of events is breath taking. Reminds me of the Bush administration in their run up to invading Iraq. Just make the facts fit your agenda.

One more thing I'd like to point out asshole. This forum isn't your private property. You have a hell of a nerve telling anyone to get off these boards.

Go sh!t in your hat moron.