Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
I've lost all respect for you, Moonbeam.
Oh, and it is "If Arnold were..."
Hehe, you already said that some time ago so nothing new there. And I showed you also in another thread that 'was' is an informal proper usage. In other words you are incorrect. 'If Arnold were' and 'If Arnold was' are both correct.
I am, of course, an old hand at people losing respect for me when they reflect in my mirror.
Oh my Beloved, wherever I look it appears to be Thou.
LR, the outrage was at the lying. Remember.....About the lying. Consexual sense is OK. Lying is bad. Good boys don't lie to Mommy.
LunarRay
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Moonbeam,
LR, the outrage was at the lying. Remember.....About the lying. Consexual sense is OK. Lying is bad. Good boys don't lie to Mommy.
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Lying about sex ought to be defined as 'consexual sense' as you have coined it above. The state of mental being incapable of honest discourse. Any tribunal must wait a mandatory twenty years for the stigma of instinctual activity to erode from the mind. Either that or keep the "Animal Kingdom" off the air..
But, then again I often wonder just what it was that Eve tempted Adam with... and is this 'bite of the apple' a lesson human kind ought to learn.. In the final analysis, I think yes! We are above the wild animal. The wild animal has no cause to lie, however..
LR, the outrage was at the lying. Remember.....About the lying. Consexual sense is OK. Lying is bad. Good boys don't lie to Mommy.
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Lying about sex ought to be defined as 'consexual sense' as you have coined it above. The state of mental being incapable of honest discourse. Any tribunal must wait a mandatory twenty years for the stigma of instinctual activity to erode from the mind. Either that or keep the "Animal Kingdom" off the air..
But, then again I often wonder just what it was that Eve tempted Adam with... and is this 'bite of the apple' a lesson human kind ought to learn.. In the final analysis, I think yes! We are above the wild animal. The wild animal has no cause to lie, however..
Lying under oath during a grand jury investigation is "Ho hum?" I can only question your values and hope that you're never a witness in any kind of trial.
Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
Right... It's the women's fault that Arnold groped them.and the LA times fault for doing their jobs as investigative reporters.
I didn't say it was their fault if he non-consensually groped them. You are reading too much into my comments. What the L.A. Times did as far as holding the story, sharing it with the Davis camp, and realeasing it on Dirty Thursday leaving him with virtually no time to respond to the allegations was one of the most eggregious journalistic ethic blunders in a long time, excluding Jason Blair of the NYT.
Well, this is about what I expected.
Hypocrites.
One more question.
What would all you hypocrites be saying if Arnold had been groping your wives or daughters?
Hypocrites.
One more question.
What would all you hypocrites be saying if Arnold had been groping your wives or daughters?
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Ah yes - the typical liberal responses.
The dirty politicing that went on this past week was disgusting - period. IF these women have serious cases against Arnold then why weren't they brought out before hand....when the law could have done something about them?
Hmmm...politics at it's finest...I mean worst:disgust:
CkG
if he'd made an advance on my (not at the time) wife 20 years ago on the set of a movie set with a raunchy atmosphere and she didn't say anything then and did not inform him he did anything wrong, but brought it up now to attack him I'd probably slap her silly! (figuratively, not literally!)
It seems everyone in bodybuilding and movies knew Arnold was a boor. Should the women Arnold molested have risked their careers by complaining? Because you know damn well they would have been attacked for reporting Arnold's sexual harrassment.
But at least he wasn't running for governor. When he decided to take his abusive sex act to the governor's race the women who had to stay silent finally said enough.
Don't blame the victims. It isn't their fault. Arnold should have kept his hands to himself.
No one answered my question.
What would you all be saying if it was your wife or your daughter Arnold molested?
Bowfinger
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That's the hypocrisy of your typical American "conservative" these days. Sex is evil. Sex is offensive. Sex is obscene. Violence and lying and treason are all OK, especially if it's a Republican. But, let a statue bare a breast and there will be hell to pay.
If Bush and Rumsfeld and Rice kill 10,000 innocent people, that's cool. Let's all watch the gory details on the 6:00 news. If they lie about it? Well, that's OK too; we trust them and know they must have good reasons. Put them in a threesome, however, and the pseudo-conservatives will torch Washington in their mock outrage. ("Mock" because half of them are sexual deviants privately, they just put on public airs about their sexual piety.)
But I digress. It's one of my pet peeves about the increasingly self-righteous right. They'll munch popcorn with the kids while people are graphically decapitated, but let a woman flash a breast and they'll march out of the theater. It's not just hypocrisy, it's stupidity.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
So they didn't report it because they'd be attack because he was an actor, but since he was a politician they think that they will be treated differently?
The ONLY reason these women came forward when they did was because it was used as a political attack. Now AGAIN - this doesn't mean that there isn't substance to their claims - only their(or someone else's) intent with the claims. I DID NOT blame the "victims" - reading is funduhmental
They should have brought these allegations up when they had the law there to help them.BOBDN - do you still beat your wife?
CkG
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
So they didn't report it because they'd be attack because he was an actor, but since he was a politician they think that they will be treated differently?
I DID NOT blame the "victims" - reading is funduhmental
BOBDN - do you still beat your wife?Your question is wrong because it is only takes into account emotion - and skips logic. The logical parent would say that while it was wrong for him to do such things, their daughter should have reported things at a time when the authorities could have done something about it on the legal end.
CkG
The last time I raised my hand to a female was 46 years ago. We were waiting for the school bus and a girl in my neighborhood hit me. I hit her back just as the bus arrived. The bus driver told me not to hit girls. I haven't hit one since.
Unlike Arnold I learned to respect the opposite sex at a very early age.
Are you a parent? Or just a liar?
If your daughter or wife told you someone molested them in the past you'd tell them they should have reported it when it happened?
You are either the world's worst husband and father or you are completely full of sh!t. Or quite possibly both.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Originally posted by: BOBDN
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
So they didn't report it because they'd be attack because he was an actor, but since he was a politician they think that they will be treated differently?
I DID NOT blame the "victims" - reading is funduhmental
BOBDN - do you still beat your wife?Your question is wrong because it is only takes into account emotion - and skips logic. The logical parent would say that while it was wrong for him to do such things, their daughter should have reported things at a time when the authorities could have done something about it on the legal end.
CkG
The last time I raised my hand to a female was 46 years ago. We were waiting for the school bus and a girl in my neighborhood hit me. I hit her back just as the bus arrived. The bus driver told me not to hit girls. I haven't hit one since.
Unlike Arnold I learned to respect the opposite sex at a very early age.
Are you a parent? Or just a liar?
If your daughter or wife told you someone molested them in the past you'd tell them they should have reported it when it happened?
You are either the world's worst husband and father or you are completely full of sh!t. Or quite possibly both.
So you see - I am not a bad husband, full of shiz, or a liar
But you quite possibly are the most foolishly arrogant SOB on this forum though.CkG
I'm assuming these women didn't want to bother with the law. Either back then or now. Clearly, the reason they came forward was political. They had dirt on a politician and used the dirt to cause harm/embarrassment to him. It was an attempt to hurt his chances of winning the governorship, plain and simple. Now, who will be the first one here to tell me that dirty politics/political smears belong strictly to one party?
Rush
Wilson (and his wife)
Arnold
Clark
Bush
Clinton
Lott
Rush
Wilson (and his wife)
Arnold
Clark
Bush
Clinton
Lott
Nah, you can look it up for yourself if you're interested. It's called the subjunctive in case you didn't know. Seems to me I quoted chapter and verse last time. It may take some looking to find 'was' ok as the informal case and common among even very good writers. Language changes and what is proper is how people actually speak. Grammar isn't etched in stone. It may surprise you to learn, for example, that the hideous word 'irregardless' is now in the book. PEE UUU Que.
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: BOBDN
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
So they didn't report it because they'd be attack because he was an actor, but since he was a politician they think that they will be treated differently?
I DID NOT blame the "victims" - reading is funduhmental
BOBDN - do you still beat your wife?Your question is wrong because it is only takes into account emotion - and skips logic. The logical parent would say that while it was wrong for him to do such things, their daughter should have reported things at a time when the authorities could have done something about it on the legal end.
CkG
The last time I raised my hand to a female was 46 years ago. We were waiting for the school bus and a girl in my neighborhood hit me. I hit her back just as the bus arrived. The bus driver told me not to hit girls. I haven't hit one since.
Unlike Arnold I learned to respect the opposite sex at a very early age.
Are you a parent? Or just a liar?
If your daughter or wife told you someone molested them in the past you'd tell them they should have reported it when it happened?
You are either the world's worst husband and father or you are completely full of sh!t. Or quite possibly both.
molestation or rape is much different than what these women are *ACCUSING* Arnold of. I am a parent and am married - I'd expect both my daughter and my wife to take appropriate action IMMEDIATELY no matter who was involved. So yes - if it happened in the past - I'd tell them that. I'd also be pissed if they allowed themselves to be played as a political pawn - just as these women have been in Arnold's case. They have been exploited by Davis/media for political gain. It would disgust me if my wife or daughter would stoop to such a level. My daughter is growing up with the moral strength to be handle such a situation because I AM a good parent with good morals.
So you see - I am not a bad husband, full of shiz, or a liar
CkG
"So yes - if it happened in the past - I'd tell them that."
You are full of sh!t, a liar and if your admission above was true a bad husband and father.
You would actually tell your wife or daughter, the victim of someone like Schwarzenegger, that they should have reported it when it happened. After they were molested.
You are the reason people get away with sexual harrassment and abuse. I want you to tell your wife what you said here. I'd like to see her reaction. Go tell her now that if your daughter came to you and told you about a past episode of sexual abuse you'd tell your daughter she should have reported it when it happened.
Then call a good divorce lawyer because NO mother would allow anyone to treat her children like that. And no father would either.
You are a whore for the likes of Schwarzenegger and Limpbaugh too. You make excuses for their behavior while you attack others whose behavior doesn't even rise to the abonimable level of your heros.
You are a hypocrite and a disgrace.
PS
I'll go you one further.
If that asshole Schwarzenegger abused my wife or daughter being brought up on charges wouldn't be an option.
He wouldn't be around for the trial.
I'll go you one further.
If that asshole Schwarzenegger abused my wife or daughter being brought up on charges wouldn't be an option.
He wouldn't be around for the trial.
glenn1
Lifer
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It's dead, buried out in the backyard next to the liberal outrage that Bustamonte has ties to a racist, seperatist movement. It's like both sides had a mutual suicide pact.
R.I.P. outrage and political principles, all hail and long live winning at any cost.
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