Where to start to improve poker skills

[yoda291]

To start, I don't want to learn basic poker strats and learn to hold my own, I can already do this. I do well and come out ahead 9/10th of the time in nearly any 5-10 hold em game. I have no problems playing 1-3 studs and 1-3 spread hold em. No-limit is kind of a toss up sometimes because you get so many different styles of play. I've done high limit stud/hold em and I figure I'm doing ok for now...but I want to be good. I have the time and I have the funds...but no idea how to get there. I play fairly regular, I know the math involved and can even do those stupid poker chip tricks. I've read books and the like, but I wanna get to the point where small children cry at my arrival because they know they just lost their college savings. I seem to have come to a plateau...is it possible that I just can't improve past this point?

Any ideas where to start?

 

[KingNothing]

Start lying to people on a regular basis.

 

[Ameesh]

do you play in tournamnets? or in real casinos?

are you playing for real money?

i started getting a lot better when i played in local tournaments. both limit and no limit

 

[Ameesh]

as far as high limit what numbers are you talking about? you playing 20-40 Kill pot? or 30-60? if you are, you are either out of my leauge or have money to burn.

 

[yoda291]

Originally posted by: Ameesh
do you play in tournamnets? or in real casinos?

are you playing for real money?

i started getting a lot better when i played in local tournaments. both limit and no limit

yes and yes...tho admittedly, not in so many tournaments. I almost never play for fake money because, even if it's a small amount of money, the fact that you are using legal tender makes you play just a little harder and is a lot different than just friendly games using just chips.

 

[yoda291]

Originally posted by: Ameesh
as far as high limit what numbers are you talking about? you playing 20-40 Kill pot? or 30-60? if you are, you are either out of my leauge or have money to burn.

in high limit, the highest I've done is 90-170. Tho you should take into account that I sat down at the table...8 hours later, I was back at the 5-10 trying to build my stack again. I like the 30-60 game the best I think...but I usually have to be well rested and clear headed to hold my ground there.

 

[azazyel]

Start hitting cassinos. You will never really be able to gauge you skill unless you are challanged.

 

[new2AMD]

I dont understand the point of this thread. You come out ahead 9/10th of the time? Where is there room for improvement? Your thread seems a bit self promoting.

 

[Ameesh]

Originally posted by: yoda291

Originally posted by: Ameesh
as far as high limit what numbers are you talking about? you playing 20-40 Kill pot? or 30-60? if you are, you are either out of my leauge or have money to burn.

in high limit, the highest I've done is 90-170. Tho you should take into account that I sat down at the table...8 hours later, I was back at the 5-10 trying to build my stack again. I like the 30-60 game the best I think...but I usually have to be well rested and clear headed to hold my ground there.

what are you buying in for at the 30-60 table, $1K?

 

[amoeba]

if you can hold your own in a real money 30-60 game, I don't think any of us can give you advice.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

Go to law school. If that won't give you a poker face, nothing ever will.

 

[dxkj]

I hate to break it to you, but if you are coming ahead 9/10 of the time, you should just do this professionally and make a living out of it......


Unless by ahead you mean you go in with 100 dollars and come out with 101 dollars.

If you break even 9/10 but come ahead double or more 2/10 you could make a killing ...

 

[yoda291]

Originally posted by: Ameesh

Originally posted by: yoda291

Originally posted by: Ameesh
as far as high limit what numbers are you talking about? you playing 20-40 Kill pot? or 30-60? if you are, you are either out of my leauge or have money to burn.

in high limit, the highest I've done is 90-170. Tho you should take into account that I sat down at the table...8 hours later, I was back at the 5-10 trying to build my stack again. I like the 30-60 game the best I think...but I usually have to be well rested and clear headed to hold my ground there.

what are you buying in for at the 30-60 table, $1K?

I usually ladder climb in terms of my play. IE, I'll play at a 4-8 or 5-10 for a while and make sure I'm not tilting. If I'm not, I'll go to the 20-40 or 30-60 (Depending on if I like the way the table looks people-wise) and cash in for about a grand...two if the table isn't friendly. I don't do it often because I have trouble determining when my play starts to sway and if I'm not checking myself constantly, I'll play for hours on a tilt just losing my stacks.

By coming out ahead 9/10, I mean that the amount of money I take in every hour is in the positive by at least the amount of the small blind. So for a 5-10, that means every hour I play, I am making at least 5 dollars an hour on an average and not losing it. If I'm making like a dollar an hour or generally coming out even...I consider myself at a loss. On higher stakes table, it's more like 50-50 because it's a completely different style of play. On top of that, competitively playing poker is kinda stressful...at least for me. So when you think about it, by that definition, 5-10 hold em will usually only pay me like $10/hr which is a pretty crappy wage if you ask me and since I can't hold that ratio on higher limit and no-limit tables...it's not something I can live off of.

 

[maziwanka]

for some reason i thought of the beginning of oceans 11 when i read this post (where george clooney goes to that poker game where brad pitt teaches those celebs how to play).

 

[new2AMD]

By coming out ahead 9/10, I mean that the amount of money I take in every hour is in the positive by at least the amount of the small blind. So for a 5-10, that means every hour I play, I am making at least 5 dollars an hour on an average and not losing it. ..... So when you think about it, by that definition, 5-10 hold em will usually only pay me like $10/hr which is a pretty crappy wage if you ask me and since I can't hold that ratio on higher limit and no-limit tables...it's not something I can live off of.

You say in a 5-10 table you make 5/hr then you say you make 10/hr. Which is it? Can you use more poker buzz words in your next post? You make money nearly everytime you play but you are asking how you can get better. Something just aint right.

 

[yoda291]

Originally posted by: new2AMD

By coming out ahead 9/10, I mean that the amount of money I take in every hour is in the positive by at least the amount of the small blind. So for a 5-10, that means every hour I play, I am making at least 5 dollars an hour on an average and not losing it. ..... So when you think about it, by that definition, 5-10 hold em will usually only pay me like $10/hr which is a pretty crappy wage if you ask me and since I can't hold that ratio on higher limit and no-limit tables...it's not something I can live off of.

You say in a 5-10 table you make 5/hr then you say you make 10/hr. Which is it? Can you use more poker buzz words in your next post? You make money nearly everytime you play but you are asking how you can get better. Something just aint right.

I'm giving best case scenario. If you like, I can translate some terms for you if you want or if you want, I can log into dictionary.com and pul up a few of the weird ones for you. I only get that level of success on low limit games and on the low end. And just for posterity, were you planning on contributing something useful here or did you just wanna feel like the big man for once?

 

[Entity]

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate
Go to law school. If that won't give you a poker face, nothing ever will.

It's interesting how many very good players are also lawyers.

The answer, as I'm guessing you know, is to go play high limit on a regular basis. If you're that confident in your game, you can only improve by playing others who are better than you -- and I know very few players who make their livings playing $3-6, $5-10, etc. Get a bankroll and track it -- and keep track of every single hand you play, and the results. You'll have enough to analyze your play after several months of regular play.

Poker's a great hobby, but I don't think I'd ever want to do it as a career.

Rob

 

[new2AMD]

Originally posted by: yoda291

Originally posted by: new2AMD

By coming out ahead 9/10, I mean that the amount of money I take in every hour is in the positive by at least the amount of the small blind. So for a 5-10, that means every hour I play, I am making at least 5 dollars an hour on an average and not losing it. ..... So when you think about it, by that definition, 5-10 hold em will usually only pay me like $10/hr which is a pretty crappy wage if you ask me and since I can't hold that ratio on higher limit and no-limit tables...it's not something I can live off of.

You say in a 5-10 table you make 5/hr then you say you make 10/hr. Which is it? Can you use more poker buzz words in your next post? You make money nearly everytime you play but you are asking how you can get better. Something just aint right.

I'm giving best case scenario. If you like, I can translate some terms for you if you want or if you want, I can log into dictionary.com and pul up a few of the weird ones for you. I only get that level of success on low limit games and on the low end. And just for posterity, were you planning on contributing something useful here or did you just wanna feel like the big man for once?

Thanks for making my point again.

How can someone contribute something useful when the post is about someone who wants to be good at something they say they are already good at? It seems like your whole intent was to point out your successes at poker. Since there has been so much talk of poker recently you seem to be self promoting.

Poker is gambling and you have to be a gambler to succeed. There is no answers when it comes to gambling. No solutions. No system.

 

[VTBigBear]

two ppl I know are pro poker players..
one won 1 million in a tourn a few months ago..
and the other(my friend) just wins alot.. (intense amount of money every week)

from what I hear, most of it is experience and nerves... (I was nervous from just watching him play.. tons of pink, black, yellow chips.. and suprisingly $100 bills. didnt think that they would use bills.. but everyone seemed to have new bills in $1000 folds..)

I myself dont have the balls or the funds to play anything higher than 5-10

If i lived closer to AC then i might try to build up a stack to play.. but too far for me...

ill stay at the $25 and $50 NL table at PartyPoker


oh yeah i heard that he read alot of books also.. so i guess they help alot.. from what i hear Doyles SuperSystem is the one that everyone worships...

 

[morkinva]

How much will you pay me for phil ivey's phone number? If you're really serious then speaking with someone who is arguably the best player in the world might help. p.s. I need cash

 

[Yax]

Books really help. Its the cheap way to learn. Playing alot is the expensive way.