Where to put education section on a resume?

[sandmanwake]

On the top after the objective or on the very bottom after work experience?

 

[ElFenix]

do you have relevant real work experience? after that. and don't put an objective, that's retarded.

 

[DannyBoy]

the top

 

[DT4K]

If you are fresh out of college, keep it near the top to emphasize it.
If you have real work experience, it should come after the experience section.

 

[Xenon14]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
do you have relevant real work experience? after that. and don't put an objective, that's retarded.

Clearly Elfenix has no idea what he's talking about. I'm interning at a recruitment firm for the summer so I deal with A LOT of resumes... CEO's, Manager's... highly professional people, amongst other things objectives are a must. Employers want to know what you want to be doing there as much as you want to know what the job wants you to do.

 

[sandmanwake]

My work experience include being a technical support technician, being a teaching assistant, and a co-op. Is that enough to warrant putting education on the bottom?

What's wrong with an objective? I thought it was one of those things that are defacto on resumes--though I agree they're retarded.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Xenon14

Clearly Elfenix has no idea what he's talking about. I'm interning at a recruitment firm for the summer so I deal with A LOT of resumes... CEO's, Manager's... highly professional people, amongst other things objectives are a must. Employers want to know what you want to be doing there as much as you want to know what the job wants you to do.

objectives are completely f-ing ridiculous and are going out of style. any decent objective is going to be some sort of parrot of what the job description is. no one is going to put an objective that is contrary to the position they're pursuing. at best an objective is a test of if you can fit some lofty goal in with the employer's goals... but, as my grandfather put it, the best objective to tell the president of the company you are interviewing with is to say, "to make you (and by implication, me) a lot of money."

 

[sandmanwake]

How does something along these lines sound:

Objective
To obtain a position which utilizes and further develops my technical and engineering skills.

Experience
2002-present XXX University Laptop Support
Laptop Support Technician
Troubleshoot software and hardware problems pertaining to laptops for the students, faculty, and staff at XXX University. Phone support and develop support tools.

2002-2004 XXX Electrical and Computer Engineering (ECE) Dept.
Teaching Assistant
Taught undergraduate labs and graded Electrical and Computer Engineering student works dealing with Basic Electric Circuits, Digital Logic, VHDL and Intel 8086 Assembly. Created and gave tests to undergrads. Oversaw undergraduate experiments with digital logic and electrical equipments.

1999-2001 YYY Place of employment
Co-op
Researched YYY S5 PLC?s and implemented software improvements using checksums to decrease program load time. Designed, reviewed, and programmed C code alone and in a team environment. Software testing using computers to simulate user behavior. On-site technical support of PC?s, printers, and corporate software. Helped to configure site network. Interacted with representatives from off-site vendors (in person and over the telephone) to resolve technical problems.

Skills
? Familiar with all Windows OS, Red Hat Linux, Solaris, Database design, and some basic networking skills.
? Programming languages include: XML, HTML, Pascal, Fortran 77, Intel 8086 Assembly, Visual Basic, C/C++, VHDL, Java, PHP, and SQL.
? Excellent problem solving abilities, very detail oriented.
? Comfortable working alone on projects or in a team environment.
? Great communication skills.
? Able to quickly learn new skills and technology.

Education
May 2004 XXX University XXX, XX
M.S. in Computer Engineering
Cumulative GPA: 3.4/4.0

May 2002 XXX University XX, XX
Bachelor of Science in Computer Engineering
Cumulative GPA: 3.43/4.0

 

[Xenon14]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Xenon14

Clearly Elfenix has no idea what he's talking about. I'm interning at a recruitment firm for the summer so I deal with A LOT of resumes... CEO's, Manager's... highly professional people, amongst other things objectives are a must. Employers want to know what you want to be doing there as much as you want to know what the job wants you to do.

objectives are completely f-ing ridiculous and are going out of style. any decent objective is going to be some sort of parrot of what the job description is. no one is going to put an objective that is contrary to the position they're pursuing. at best an objective is a test of if you can fit some lofty goal in with the employer's goals... but, as my grandfather put it, the best objective to tell the president of the company you are interviewing with is to say, "to make you a lot of money."

I don't know if you have been on interviews. But they still ask you what you want to do or pursue at a job. What you want to get out of it. Objectives, no matter how pointless they seem to you, are looked at by companies. Even if it's not always needed an objective cannot hurt you, but not having one can. Better safe than sorry...

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Xenon14

I don't know if you have been on interviews. But they still ask you what you want to do or pursue at a job. What you want to get out of it. Objectives, no matter how pointless they seem to you, are looked at by companies. Even if it's not always needed an objective cannot hurt you, but not having one can. Better safe than sorry...

then i'll tell them what my objective is in the interview. they know just as well as i do what my real motive is, which is why it's retarded and is quickly going out of style. really i find bullsh!tting an objective that both they and i know is worth about as much as the paper it's written on to be offensive. if leaving bullsh!t off my resume gets me dismissed from the pile i don't think i'd want to work for them anyway.

 

[sandmanwake]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

then i'll tell them what my objective is in the interview. they know just as well as i do what my real motive is, which is why it's retarded and is quickly going out of style. really i find bullsh!tting an objective that both they and i know is worth about as much as the paper it's written on to be offensive. if leaving bullsh!t off my resume gets me dismissed from the pile i don't think i'd want to work for them anyway.

What if it's a great place to work otherwise, but the hr guy doing the initial screening of the resume is a traditionalist who'd want an objective?

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: sandmanwake

What if it's a great place to work otherwise, but the hr guy doing the initial screening of the resume is a traditionalist who'd want an objective?

if you really want to, but i find writing an objective is about on par with writing thank you notes to people you've never met for the $20 they sent you for graduation

 

[sandmanwake]

I quite agree with you, but sometimes you've got to play the game if you want the job or want to keep it. Otherwise, I'd go to interviews/work with no tie, a tee shirt, and sneakers.

 

[badmouse]

Back when I used to hire a lot of tech people, I never threw out anyone's resume because it lacked an objective - as long as it was a decent tech resume.

However, for management jobs the objective was mandatory. Gotta know how to BS in that area. If you can't come up with a paragraph or 2 of corporate-sounding mindless blather you don't belong in management 😀 .

 

[Modeps]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
do you have relevant real work experience? after that. and don't put an objective, that's retarded.