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Where to buy a high quality AGP card?

fustercluck

fustercluck

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Seems so hard to find a good price on one of the top AGP cards. I've been looking for x800XL's and X800XTs for the last month or so, still haven't found a good price anywhere...at least not anywhere reliable. All the low prices are for the PCI-e cards...damn them! Is AGP considered better or something? I don't get why they always cost more.

Anyways, can anyone point me in the right direction? I'm mainly looking for an ATI X800XL agp.
 
No, AGP is not better than PCI Express. Quite the opposite. AGP is more expensive because it needs a bridge chip. The graphics chip starts out by supporting PCI-E, the new standard, and in order to make it work with AGP it needs a bridge, which costs around $50. Likewise, if the chip is originally AGP, the PCI-E card will cost more. This is among the cheapest I could find (from a very reliable dealer).

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102520
 
Newegg was the first place i looked. Though i don't like Sapphire cards, and it's more than i want to pay. I wanna keep it under 300.

Thanks anyways though xtknight. By the way, i see you have 666 posts, and that's about the 5th or 6th time i've seen 666 today, in different situations. I think Satan is after me...
 
i think newegg has a 6800GT AGP under $300 which i would recommend getting that instead of the X800XL since it slightly outperforms it in most games
 
Originally posted by: xtknight
No, AGP is not better than PCI Express. Quite the opposite. AGP is more expensive because it needs a bridge chip. The graphics chip starts out by supporting PCI-E, the new standard, and in order to make it work with AGP it needs a bridge, which costs around $50. Likewise, if the chip is originally AGP, the PCI-E card will cost more. This is among the cheapest I could find (from a very reliable dealer).

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102520
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This is not totally true. All of your top of the line AGP cards are quite cheaper than PCI-e cards. The perfromance difference is almost nill. You can get a 6800gt for $300, 800xl for $300, and this might be the best deal thats still available ATI AIW 800XT.
 
Yeah, you can get a 6800GT from the egg for around $300 all day long. The X800XL is great buy for a PCIe card, but if you are sticking with AGP a ~$300 6800GT, ~$250 X800 Pro, or a ~$175 6600GT would be the way to go IMO.
 
I thought the only AGP card with a bridge from pci-e was the geforce 6600gt. That card originally came out only for pci-e and then they bridged it. I know that the 6800 vanilla, 6800gt and 6800 ultra do not have pci-e to agp bridges on them.
 
I've tried a BFG 6800 GT OC (which i got for $300) and it didn't work well at all, in most games it was only equal to my 9800 Pro. Not sure if it was just that particular card or what, but i'm kinda leaning toward ATI now. I sold the 6800 GT OC for more than i paid for it. Perhaps i'll give the 6800 GT another chance though, as i do want to buy soon, and i suspect it was just a problem with that card.
 
Originally posted by: jacktackle
Newegg was the first place i looked. Though i don't like Sapphire cards, and it's more than i want to pay. I wanna keep it under 300.

Thanks anyways though xtknight. By the way, i see you have 666 posts, and that's about the 5th or 6th time i've seen 666 today, in different situations. I think Satan is after me...
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I don't blame you. I only buy BBA (Built by ATI) cards as well. You pay a little premium for them, though.

lol I noticed that too...heh...I think I am satan.
 
Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: xtknight
No, AGP is not better than PCI Express. Quite the opposite. AGP is more expensive because it needs a bridge chip. The graphics chip starts out by supporting PCI-E, the new standard, and in order to make it work with AGP it needs a bridge, which costs around $50. Likewise, if the chip is originally AGP, the PCI-E card will cost more. This is among the cheapest I could find (from a very reliable dealer).

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102520
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This is not totally true. All of your top of the line AGP cards are quite cheaper than PCI-e cards. The perfromance difference is almost nill. You can get a 6800gt for $300, 800xl for $300, and this might be the best deal thats still available ATI AIW 800XT.
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Perhaps you missed the words in bold.

Originally posted by: thegimp03
Check out this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814122195

That's one of the best deals I've seen on that card. You can easily oc it to ultra speeds too. Newegg has run that deal a couple times in the past few weeks.
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Yeah, very true. Awesome price. I forgot about that one.

Originally posted by: Dufrane
I thought the only AGP card with a bridge from pci-e was the geforce 6600gt. That card originally came out only for pci-e and then they bridged it. I know that the 6800 vanilla, 6800gt and 6800 ultra do not have pci-e to agp bridges on them.
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The 6800GT and 6800Ultra have been bridged from AGP cards to PCI-E cards (NV45). I believe the 6600GT is the only card to have started out PCI-E and later been bridged to AGP.

Originally posted by: jacktackle
I've tried a BFG 6800 GT OC (which i got for $300) and it didn't work well at all, in most games it was only equal to my 9800 Pro. Not sure if it was just that particular card or what, but i'm kinda leaning toward ATI now. I sold the 6800 GT OC for more than i paid for it. Perhaps i'll give the 6800 GT another chance though, as i do want to buy soon, and i suspect it was just a problem with that card.
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Yeah, it was probably just that card. The 6800GT will own a 9800 PRO in any game.
 
Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: xtknight
No, AGP is not better than PCI Express. Quite the opposite. AGP is more expensive because it needs a bridge chip. The graphics chip starts out by supporting PCI-E, the new standard, and in order to make it work with AGP it needs a bridge, which costs around $50. Likewise, if the chip is originally AGP, the PCI-E card will cost more. This is among the cheapest I could find (from a very reliable dealer).

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102520
Click to expand...

This is not totally true. All of your top of the line AGP cards are quite cheaper than PCI-e cards. The perfromance difference is almost nill. You can get a 6800gt for $300, 800xl for $300, and this might be the best deal thats still available ATI AIW 800XT.
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Perhaps you missed the words in bold.

Originally posted by: thegimp03
Check out this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814122195

That's one of the best deals I've seen on that card. You can easily oc it to ultra speeds too. Newegg has run that deal a couple times in the past few weeks.
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Yeah, very true. Awesome price. I forgot about that one.

Originally posted by: Dufrane
I thought the only AGP card with a bridge from pci-e was the geforce 6600gt. That card originally came out only for pci-e and then they bridged it. I know that the 6800 vanilla, 6800gt and 6800 ultra do not have pci-e to agp bridges on them.
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The 6800GT and 6800Ultra have been bridged from AGP cards to PCI-E cards (NV45). I believe the 6600GT is the only card to have started out PCI-E and later been bridged to AGP.

Originally posted by: jacktackle
I've tried a BFG 6800 GT OC (which i got for $300) and it didn't work well at all, in most games it was only equal to my 9800 Pro. Not sure if it was just that particular card or what, but i'm kinda leaning toward ATI now. I sold the 6800 GT OC for more than i paid for it. Perhaps i'll give the 6800 GT another chance though, as i do want to buy soon, and i suspect it was just a problem with that card.
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Yeah, it was probably just that card. The 6800GT will own a 9800 PRO in any game.
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I was addressing the comment agp is more expensive. Its not. The reasons why are irrelevent.
 
AGP X800XL appears to be more expensive than the PCIe version, as expected: it's PCIe native, the AGP version requires a bridge chip and a bigger PCB, and ATI set its retail price higher. The 6800GT and X800XT are both cheaper in AGP form b/c they're AGP native chips.

So, cards with GPUs that require a bridge chip are more expensive for a non-native slot, for the reasons xtknight listed. Those reasons are the only relevant factors in those cards' lower prices.
 
Basically for AGP the x800xl is not such a good deal. You can either get a similar performing 6800gt for <$300, or for $340 get an even faster x800xt aiw (with that rebate).
 
Originally posted by: akshayt
at high settings won't pci-e give more performance

also,what do you mean by egg of the new
you mean newegg nah
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No, PCIe offers no tangible benefit at any settings. Currently, we have not exceeded the bandwidth limitations on AGP8x.
 
Originally posted by: jacktackle
I've tried a BFG 6800 GT OC (which i got for $300) and it didn't work well at all, in most games it was only equal to my 9800 Pro. Not sure if it was just that particular card or what, but i'm kinda leaning toward ATI now. I sold the 6800 GT OC for more than i paid for it. Perhaps i'll give the 6800 GT another chance though, as i do want to buy soon, and i suspect it was just a problem with that card.
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you probably didnt uninstall ati drivers properly before switching to GT or something, which might explain the poor performance.. If that is the case, next time: Download drivercleaner, uninstall all ati drivers through windows control panel etc, reboot in safe mode, and use drivercleaner to clean out all ati traces, boot normally with 6800gt in, and and install nV drivers.
 
Originally posted by: jacktackle
I've tried a BFG 6800 GT OC (which i got for $300) and it didn't work well at all, in most games it was only equal to my 9800 Pro. Not sure if it was just that particular card or what, but i'm kinda leaning toward ATI now. I sold the 6800 GT OC for more than i paid for it. Perhaps i'll give the 6800 GT another chance though, as i do want to buy soon, and i suspect it was just a problem with that card .
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I went from a 9800p (OC'd a little past XT levels') and noticed a BIG improvement. I'd suggest you give the 6800GT another try.

Fern
 
Originally posted by: nitromullet
Originally posted by: akshayt
at high settings won't pci-e give more performance

also,what do you mean by egg of the new
you mean newegg nah
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No, PCIe offers no tangible benefit at any settings. Currently, we have not exceeded the bandwidth limitations on AGP8x.
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i doubt we've even exceeded 4X...theres still barely any difference between 4X and 8X
 
I definitely uninstalled the ATI drivers correctly before i put in my 6800 GT, and tried numerous other things to get it working. But i got tired of trying to fix it for so long that i just sold it. The rest of my system has been a hunk of junk lately so it could definitely be related to something else (bout ready to put this whole system on Ebay too 😛). Guess i'll just keep checking newegg and the Hot Deals forum. I guess i'll find a good price sooner or later, but i could use the card sooner.
 
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