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DeathSlayer

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i'm about to make my move to go get a new card, the x850 agp. since it is the best agp card availiable, and ATI is slowing down production of them, i have to act soon. so, where should i try to get one? what online outlet or regular retail store might have one at or below $400? there are like 5 bids on ebay of ones that are <400.

any input will be great! :)
 
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DeathSlayer

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I have a 480W beast.

oh, and also, are you sure they (and every other place like newegg) are getting more units in? i will be dissapointed if i miss out on the very last batch of X850XTPE AGPs in existance (like the ones on amazon and ebay)
 
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Originally posted by: Wentelteefje
ZZF has a VisionTek XTASY Radeon X850 XT Platinum Edition for $ 330... Definitely a no-brainer I'd say... You will have to wait, because they are currently out of stock...

How about your PSU? Is it strong enough to power this monster...?
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any quality 300W psu will be able to easily power that video card. that video card is not very power hungry compared to the 6800 ultra.
 
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Wentelteefje

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any quality 300W psu will be able to easily power that video card. that video card is not very power hungry compared to the 6800 ultra
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Are you really sure about that...? It will power it, but not with easy I'd guess... Check this...

Ok, the MicroDirect deal is even better... :)

EDIT: Yes, it's identical to it... 20MHz lower clockspeed, and 50MHz lower mem speed (100Mhz DDR), those are the only differences...
 
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Thanks for the topic and that link! My brother is looking for a new card. I'll point that link out to him. I looked at resellerratings.com and noticed that this store has only a 5.56 rating, though. How have your experiences been with them?
 
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DeathSlayer

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i have another question: can i easily OC the X850XT to PE speeds with the default heatsink/fan and still have decent or great temps? if so, i'm freakin sold!
 
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Originally posted by: Wentelteefje
any quality 300W psu will be able to easily power that video card. that video card is not very power hungry compared to the 6800 ultra
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Are you really sure about that...? It will power it, but not with easy I'd guess... Check this...
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yes, i am absolutely sure of it. Many people have even run far more on a good 300W psu. wattage is not everything.
 
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I know too that wattage isn't everything, but you'd really want some more reserve when powering this type of (I know, formerly) high-end hardware...

Yes, you should be able to crank that X850XT up to PE speeds with the stock cooler, maybe not quite on the memory side (although mileages may vary...), but the core will pose no problem...

EDIT: Yep, buy that X850XT, with the Rebate, it's a helluva deal... :thumbsup:
 
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does the memory clock effect gaming performance more or less than the core?

can i use a basic overclocker like ATI Tool to succeed the clocks as much as i can? (before it overheats, of course)

thanks for all your information... especially that micro center place. it saved me a whopping $150!!!

btw, my current specs are: 3200+ @ 2.1ghz, 9800 Pro 128, and 1gb ram.
 
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It will be quite an improvement over your current system... :p ATI Tool is excellent, if you want to check your temps under maximum load, use RTHDRIBL... Compare them to temps all over the web, there are a lot of sites that have reviewed these Radeons...

I'm only talking about a difference of some 5 - 10MHz, if you're lucky, you could even get the exact same speeds... There will be practically no real world difference, you're already dealing with such a huge amount of memory bandwidth that it will hardly matter... You could always compensate a little by clocking the core higher, but that's not even necessary... Your power supply is powerful enough too, so it won't be holding you back...

To gain some frames, try overclocking your CPU a little more too... (is it socket 939 or 754?)
 
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DeathSlayer

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it is a socket a. i actually have a XP 3000+, only clocked to 3200+ speeds.

and this is probably going to bum you out, but i have an OEM pc that i bought 3 years ago. it does good in todays games, just that a new vid card is my last update to the system. i professionally maintenance my pc for every day needs, though.

...which means i can't really overclock my cpu. (unless there is a way to OC a OEM CPU?)
 
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Wow, that's indeed a problem... Too bad... You could try CPUFSB, or maybe CPUCool... You were going to head for $ 400... Couldn't you afford yourself a new mobo...? The ones for Socket A are dirt cheap right now... When overclocked, such a Barton is still a decent processor, and your powerful X850XT will benefit from it too...

This EPoX mobo is only $ 48... It has S/PDIF Out, a lot of USB ports, and will probably overclock very good... It could make your Athlon XP a lot faster... For 10 bucks more, you can buy yourself a (for socket A) high-end MSI K7N2 Delta2-FSR...

BTW 2.1GHz isn't a Barton 3200+, it's just over a 2800+ and below a 3000+... ;)
 
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And then you can get an Asrock 939 dual sata and buy a nice PCI-express video card. or you could keep your current agp card, get the asrock board 939 dual sata and a 64 3000, then upgrade to a nice pci-express later... then 2GB or dual-core... whatever meets your fancy first.
 
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Originally posted by: Wentelteefje
Wow, that's indeed a problem... Too bad... You could try.........
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the main problem for me: the MB i have is small enough to fit into a small OEM case. so i can't get a new MB, thats for sure. if i didn't have an OEM pc, i would have a 7800GT, 3800+ X2 cpu, you name it. but i dont have enough money right now. so i will get the best AGP system that is possible with my PC... which is what i am doing.

to get a new MB, i will have to build a pc from scratch, then sell my old parts (which i have now) it on ebay or something...
 
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Not for getting that your going to grab a $250 X850XTAGP after rebate...fastest and chicken lickin' good cards atm !
 
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oh, if i never told you, i cannot OC my CPU through the BIOS. there is not an option. it is usually general stuff, not for OCing needs.

Mr. W mentioned about a program called CPUFSB... does that OC my CPU as the same type of OCing from a BIOS?

can i only OC my FSB or something? not the actual MHz of the CPU?

and i bought this PC 3 years ago, before i knew any of this, so thats my excuse for getting an OEM :p
 
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Wentelteefje

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No problem... Don't say you have to mate :) You could try one of the software utilities... They may work...
 
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Wentelteefje

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Well, overclocking your CPU will have to go by raising the FSB, with an OEM PC there will be no other way...

A 3000+ has a standard FSB of 166MHz, and a multiplier of 13x... If you raise your FSB to, lets say 172MHz, the speed will equate to 172x13 = 2.236GHz, already over a 3200+...

Although that 172MHz might work with those software utilities (if they work!), don't expect it to go much higher, unless you're trying to kill it quickly in order to get a new system... You can't touch the voltages, you can't touch the speed of your RAM, you can't touch your AGP en PCI bus speeds... Go MHz by MHz, and make sure your system is stable... To do so, let OCCT run its 30 min Test... (the button the most to the left)

Good Luck!
 
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Originally posted by: DeathSlayer
the main problem for me: the MB i have is small enough to fit into a small OEM case. so i can't get a new MB, thats for sure.
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For $400 you could easily get a new cpu motherboard case and powersupply and be able to keep the rest. oh wait.. you have a 480w decent PSU? oh so that makes it just cpu motherboard and case.
 
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