WHERE IS PHENOM 2

[Andrew1990]

Originally posted by: LoneNinja

Originally posted by: ExarKun333
Hooray for PII! A processor that performs on-par with a 2-year old quad...seriously...why all the hoopla?

For the record, most of the posters here probably need to buy a MB with the processor as they are currently using a P35/P45 or X38/X48 board anyway. Why buy a new processor and board for less than what you could get over the past year? I just don't understand.

In my opinion its better than the original C2Q's from 2 years ago. It's a big deal because there will finally be competition to Intel's C2Q's, which will probably result in a price war. This will be a good upgrade for people with AM2+ boards such as myself, and the C2Q price drops will be good for the people currently running C2D's looking to upgrade to quad. I'd bet Quad cores in general from both AMD and Intel will become more affordable.

It is kind of like the old Intel Pentium D 805. The first "affordable" dual core that wasnt the best but could offer great competition to some of the high end processors after overclocking it.

To me the Phenom II is the bridge to go from expensive quad core -> Very cheap quad cores. It wouldnt surprise me to see a $90 low clocked quad core within 6 months time.

 

[Andrew1990]

oops double post

*Moderator, can you please delete this one.

 

[exar333]

Originally posted by: LoneNinja

Originally posted by: ExarKun333
Hooray for PII! A processor that performs on-par with a 2-year old quad...seriously...why all the hoopla?

For the record, most of the posters here probably need to buy a MB with the processor as they are currently using a P35/P45 or X38/X48 board anyway. Why buy a new processor and board for less than what you could get over the past year? I just don't understand.

In my opinion its better than the original C2Q's from 2 years ago. It's a big deal because there will finally be competition to Intel's C2Q's, which will probably result in a price war. This will be a good upgrade for people with AM2+ boards such as myself, and the C2Q price drops will be good for the people currently running C2D's looking to upgrade to quad. I'd bet Quad cores in general from both AMD and Intel will become more affordable.

Don't get me wrong, I am definitely all for competition and I hope the PII does well but I just don't see prices going much lower. You can already get RAM dirt cheap, a great P45 board for $100 and a great C2Q or PII (presumably) for ~$200. All this will do is maybe drop the CPU prices 20-30 bucks. One other benefit would be increased speeds, but for many of us enthusiasts, we would end up OCing it to roughly the same speed anyway (3.6-4.0ghz).

Definitely a huge step up from Phenom; maybe their next release can be just as much of an improvement and really knock us out!

 

[SickBeast]

Here is a link to a detailed comparison of a Phenom to a Phenom 2, both clocked at 3ghz

I looked at a few of them. I'm not too impressed with the Phenom 2 thus far.

*edit* I edited the link. Sorry if anyone clicked on the old one!

 

[BladeVenom]

Originally posted by: ExarKun333
Hooray for PII! A processor that performs on-par with a 2-year old quad...seriously...why all the hoopla?

Yorkfield is only about a year old. And the really important thing is they work with already existing AM2+ motherboards and DDR2 memory.

 

[dennilfloss]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

They say ... that it doesn't look good for AMD, and that the only people that will likely purchase this new chip will be people who already own an AM2+ motherboard.

They are wrong. I intend to upgrade my s939 setup to this even if it's not as top-notch as an I7 and keep on supporting AMD. I am confident it will prove fast enough for my computing and gaming needs over the next three years.

 

[dmens]

Originally posted by: dennilfloss

Originally posted by: SickBeast

They say ... that it doesn't look good for AMD, and that the only people that will likely purchase this new chip will be people who already own an AM2+ motherboard.

They are wrong. I intend to upgrade my s939 setup to this even if it's not as top-notch as an I7 and keep on supporting AMD. I am confident it will prove fast enough for my computing and gaming needs over the next three years.

lol i guess it's people who own AM2+ motherboards, and AMD fanboys. duh.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: LoneNinja

Originally posted by: ExarKun333
Hooray for PII! A processor that performs on-par with a 2-year old quad...seriously...why all the hoopla?

For the record, most of the posters here probably need to buy a MB with the processor as they are currently using a P35/P45 or X38/X48 board anyway. Why buy a new processor and board for less than what you could get over the past year? I just don't understand.

In my opinion its better than the original C2Q's from 2 years ago. It's a big deal because there will finally be competition to Intel's C2Q's, which will probably result in a price war. This will be a good upgrade for people with AM2+ boards such as myself, and the C2Q price drops will be good for the people currently running C2D's looking to upgrade to quad. I'd bet Quad cores in general from both AMD and Intel will become more affordable.

Well I am really disappointed in all the reviews. The O/C was less than the hype by alot.


Also to the person I quoted. Are you nuts. Sure a price war sounds good. TO intel. You think AMD can cut pricies on new tech. and equipment. AND still survive. AMD is bleeding $$$$. This is bad for AMD . Intels price cuts are going to be impossiable for AMD to overcome. SO stop yelling for price war fool.

 

[Googer]

I've got your PHENOM II right here.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Lots of reviews up. List @ XS forums news section.

Hay some pretty slanted reviews ALSO . Whats your favorite slant. Mine was Kyle . I mean he threw IC7 out there in good performance setting threw TRi sli .On and said There ya go . Which cpu you think is more future proof. IC7 is monster.

I new very few would get the IC7 consumption right. Only 2 reviews got good power management set up . LOL.

I see anand article mentioned the up coming price cut. But didn't say anything about the new C2Q coming out jan. AN Xtreme C2d 8700 very low power consumption C2Q running at high clocks . Or the feb. release of I7 975 & I7 985. I really feel bad for a few guys. Its sad to see there little hearts broken . But fear not We have PHII DDR3 showing up shortly . Rumors have it the new PHII and DDR3 M/Bs will raise PHII performance by an average of 300% comfortabily for the foreseeable future putting Intel out to pasture.

This really was a disappointment. Actually I am pissed by the hype: that came up way short again . So its going to be fun watching all these reviewers and fanbois squirm when AMD release the DDR3 version of motherboards and CPU and how in less than 2 months A good buy becomesa bad buy leaving C2Q as the chip to buy in the mid and lowend and Ic7 at the high end . no were does PHII with DDR3 become a better buy . Intel is feeling in the I7 line with 2 more offerinsgs Meaing the 920 is going to be the best buy high performance chip .

 

[Gikaseixas]

it is where i thought it would be performance wise. It competes with the mid range Intel quads. Not bad for people like me who have AMD setups, i will certainly buy one and push it to 4.0 - 4.2 ghz hopefully.

 

[MrX8503]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
This really was a disappointment. Actually I am pissed by the hype: that came up way short again . So its going to be fun watching all these reviewers and fanbois squirm when AMD release the DDR3 version of motherboards and CPU and how in less than 2 months A good buy becomesa bad buy leaving C2Q as the chip to buy in the mid and lowend and Ic7 at the high end . no were does PHII with DDR3 become a better buy . Intel is feeling in the I7 line with 2 more offerinsgs Meaing the 920 is going to be the best buy high performance chip .

Its nice to have some hope in Hype, but thats always a bad idea. As hype never really lives up to actuality.

In fact, a lot of OC mentioned by forum members, I rarely ever reach. Then I figured out something. Normally the super high oc'ers are the only ones who take the time to post their results, this doesn't reflect the majority of OC's and gives a false sense of overclockability.

So when AMD was throwing out insane OC numbers, I was like BS.

 

[exar333]

Originally posted by: BladeVenom

Originally posted by: ExarKun333
Hooray for PII! A processor that performs on-par with a 2-year old quad...seriously...why all the hoopla?

Yorkfield is only about a year old. And the really important thing is they work with already existing AM2+ motherboards and DDR2 memory.

Wrong. This is still slightly better than the original 65nm quads. It is still clock-for-clock slower than intel and competes in many of Anand's tests to a C2D. Soemwhat of a disappointment for me.

 

[phaxmohdem]

If ASUS releases a BIOS update for my AM2 motherboard that supports these CPU's, I will be all over a 940 like a fat kid on a cupcake.

Otherwise, I'll keep plodding along on my "lowly" x2 6000+ until DDR3 prices come down.

If AMD can work with mobo makers to release BIOS updates for capable regular AM2 boards (boards that support the 125W spec) such as mine, I think they'll sell a whole helluva lot of these things as upgrade parts to people like me who are happy with their systems, but wouldn't mind a little extra CPU horsepowah under the bonnet.

On a more random note, I just realised that my 6000+, which is a dual core @ 3.0 GHz, sucks down 125W TDP, and these new x4 940's which are quad cores @ 3.0GHz suck down the same 125W TDP. Twice the number of cores, at the same operating frequency, and doing more per clock at the same power draw. I <3 technology

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: MrX8503

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
This really was a disappointment. Actually I am pissed by the hype: that came up way short again . So its going to be fun watching all these reviewers and fanbois squirm when AMD release the DDR3 version of motherboards and CPU and how in less than 2 months A good buy becomesa bad buy leaving C2Q as the chip to buy in the mid and lowend and Ic7 at the high end . no were does PHII with DDR3 become a better buy . Intel is feeling in the I7 line with 2 more offerinsgs Meaing the 920 is going to be the best buy high performance chip .

Its nice to have some hope in Hype, but thats always a bad idea. As hype never really lives up to actuality.

In fact, a lot of OC mentioned by forum members, I rarely ever reach. Then I figured out something. Normally the super high oc'ers are the only ones who take the time to post their results, this doesn't reflect the majority of OC's and gives a false sense of overclockability.

So when AMD was throwing out insane OC numbers, I was like BS.

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Your right and wrong. Do ya remember the C2D prelaunch. ALmost all called it hype but a few. But on release C2D exceeded the hype. Kentsfield were hype to clock to 4ghz. but 3.85 is the best wifes machine got. Mine was 3.6 24/7. Most of the Yorkies could do 4ghz at launch stable . Some had problems but thats always the case.
Than we had the ATI 4xxx launch. Thats was perfectly exacuted. Na . The AMD fanbois are hurting AMD as a company. Hype and let down = BAD. I am sure amd got 6ghz O/Cs and thats great. But its not practical at all. Than the fanbois pitting PHII against I7 what a joke. Ya you can compare the 2 if your blind. In 1 month AMD platiform price goes up a lot. Unless AMD m/Bs won't offer rich feature set like Intels. So the low cost AMD system needs really expensive setups to compete at high level against intel cheaper water cooled setups. Below zero temps. Ya sounds like a cheap set up to me. I am buying the AMD DDR3 setup . If it does 4ghz on water 24/7 I will be very happy. My daughter needs a good AMD reg . to showcase anyway. But the Cost will = IC7 dollar for dollar. AMD DDR3 isn't going to be magicly cheaper than Intels I7.

Everone talks about Cost savings with AMD. Sorry its a lie again. PH11 on DDR2 is a dead end. You want to do price comparison do it next month when AMD goes DDR3. Apples to Apples. Of course this will make C2Q the good buy. But it to is a deadend setup. My advice to any right now. WAIT ! Than spend a few more bucks and buy what YOU want. No one really cares. Are you going to break world records ? Not likely. The number 1 is great when competing. But the number 2 sucks big time as it makes ya 1st loser. So unless ya want to be world champs buy what makes ya happy. If ya want to be a world champ . buy Intel.

Now befor any start spouting BS. About DDR2 PHII being ok . Yep it is OK! But until AMD DDR3 is released the hype is going to be a hugh improvement over DDR2 will be seen with AMD PHII with DDR3. At best on the desk top maybe a 2% increase on server better.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: LoneNinja

Originally posted by: ExarKun333
Hooray for PII! A processor that performs on-par with a 2-year old quad...seriously...why all the hoopla?

For the record, most of the posters here probably need to buy a MB with the processor as they are currently using a P35/P45 or X38/X48 board anyway. Why buy a new processor and board for less than what you could get over the past year? I just don't understand.

In my opinion its better than the original C2Q's from 2 years ago. It's a big deal because there will finally be competition to Intel's C2Q's, which will probably result in a price war. This will be a good upgrade for people with AM2+ boards such as myself, and the C2Q price drops will be good for the people currently running C2D's looking to upgrade to quad. I'd bet Quad cores in general from both AMD and Intel will become more affordable.

dont even compare 2 yrs ago.

Then the C2D is so much better then the X2 arch. 2 yrs ago.

That is so not a fair comparision.

like everyone said, its a great option to upgrade for AM2+ setups.
If your building from scratch your gonna need to do some heavy thinking.

 

[Peter Trend]

I just ordered mine! It arrives in 2-5 days. I got it from http://www.ginger6.com/phenom-...on-retail-p-31889.html

Now I owe my bank more money than I own, a pattern that looks set to continue lol...

 

[Denithor]

I seriously think this is the Phenom AMD expected/wanted to release a year ago as the first X4 processor. Unfortunately there simply wasn't room on the chip at 65nm and they hadn't made the transition to 45nm at that point. As Anand points out in the article here, PII isn't so much a modification as a tune, with extra cache being the only major change beyond the obvious change in size (which helps power consumption/temps and overclocking).

 

[Peter Trend]

I think (hope) AMD are saving their tricks for AM3/DDR3, but I doubt they will ever catch up with i7.

Can't wait to see 12GB DDR3 prices drop.
I wonder what we should expect from the AM3 Phenoms clock-wise..(both stock & OC)?
So far it looks like my next rig will be i7 though, once 5GHz is there. There are too many teething problems with AMDs to be worth investing another board on them and being locked in again.

I wonder what GPU chips ATI have up their sleeve to replace RV770 for their new Dragon platform...or do they plan to leave it at that?

Im afraid I can foresee Intel/NVIDIA slaughtering AMD/ATI once they master 32nm process sad fanboy lol

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: Denithor
I seriously think this is the Phenom AMD expected/wanted to release a year ago as the first X4 processor. Unfortunately there simply wasn't room on the chip at 65nm and they hadn't made the transition to 45nm at that point. As Anand points out in the article here, PII isn't so much a modification as a tune, with extra cache being the only major change beyond the obvious change in size (which helps power consumption/temps and overclocking).

Sadly for AMD this had to have all been known and obvious all the way back in 2006 when Kentsfield was released.

AMD knew their design and xtor budgets for both Phenom/65nm and PhII/45nm by then, nearly everything would have already been locked in stone so to speak.

Simulations of projected PhI and PhII capabilities would have already been known as well. What would not have been known explicitly (but upper and lower bounds would have been estimable) was the clockspeed and power-consumption values that were going to be generated by the 65/45nm chips under design.

The Phenom that was released was exactly what AMD thought they were going to be releasing, its not like they got duped and released a chip that wasn't planned to be what it was.

That it had to compete with Kentsfield was the unknown that became a known in this storyline. Looking back now I can't imagine the volume and magnitude of the "oh shit" that were repeated across AMD cubicle after cubicle when those initial Kentsfield/C2D reviews hit the web as those folks knew then what we all have finally learned as of yesterday.

This PhII vs. Penryn situation reminds me a lot of the K6-2 vs. PII days where it took that utter revolutionary event of DEC's demise and the Athlon's creation to finally one-up Intel's architecture cadence for a few years. Trouble is there aren't any DEC's out there ready to go out of business (IBM and SUN are all that's left) from which a new revolutionary x86 architecture can be born from their ashes once AMD hires the people. No deja vu there.