http://www.3dactionplanet.com/features/articles/wthi_halo/
Take a look. seems MS is trying to get Halo on the Xbox and ONLY the Xbox..
Take a look. seems MS is trying to get Halo on the Xbox and ONLY the Xbox..
Where is Halo?
- Thread starter Soccerman
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Too bad, Bungie belongs to MS and MS can do whatever they want to Bungie. What do you think we can do? Boycott X-Box?
A lot of people paid $300 for the Geforce to play Q3A, so shelling out $300 for the X-Box to play Halo isn't too bad. But it's still frustrating to see that PC gamers are being treated like dirt, yet again.
heh, the thing is, Halo was slated to be THE game that made T&L. at least in this BBS's eyes.. everyone seemed to be looking to it to show us 3dfx zealots that nVidia's vision isn't evil, or something to that effect.
Well anyway, this also means that by the time the game comes out, all Video cards currently being planned will already have T&L..
Well anyway, this also means that by the time the game comes out, all Video cards currently being planned will already have T&L..
Ok what I don't understand is why put a game of that quality on a @$#% TV! Ok if you have a HDTV, sweet but who is going to buy an X-Box, and an HDTV just for HALO...... NOBODY! Maybe I am missing something but am I not correct? The screen shots of that game are some of the best damn 3D rendering I have seen! The 3D engine is awsome and would be greatly dissappointing on a TV that does 640x480... 800x600 if you are lucky, and it will look like $hit! Anyway.... let me know if I am off the charts, will ya? I'd love to see that game on my PC forsure!
3dactionplanet says: "As stated earlier, Microsoft wants Bungie, specifically Halo at this point, on the Xbox and the Xbox only"
ok, when exactly did Microsoft say this?
afaik, they didn't
-patchy
ok, when exactly did Microsoft say this?
afaik, they didn't
-patchy
There is nothing we can do, people. We dont own Bungie for god sakes! But I would have to say the Xbox-only-Halo is an extremely foolish decision made by Microsoft.
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<< or TF2, which will be even better >>
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Bah TF2 will be a worthy successor to daikatana. They're still writing the engine from scratch, and with a TF mod coming out with almost every new fps, I don't think TF2 will be that great when it's released.
If you want Teamfortress style gameplay and the eyecandy of Halo, buy Tribes 2.
<< or TF2, which will be even better >>
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Bah TF2 will be a worthy successor to daikatana. They're still writing the engine from scratch, and with a TF mod coming out with almost every new fps, I don't think TF2 will be that great when it's released.
If you want Teamfortress style gameplay and the eyecandy of Halo, buy Tribes 2.
Yeah, but the alien-type environment of tribes2 is a negative for me. I'd much rather have realistic earth-type environments. Thats just a personal preference, though.
Also, TF2 will be a significant departure from any previous mods in the realistic genre. It will be much more involved, including flying and driving vehicles.
Also, it will have plenty of eyecandy. Check out some of these screenies... http://www.planetfortress.com/tf2/screen-shots.shtml
Marty
Also, TF2 will be a significant departure from any previous mods in the realistic genre. It will be much more involved, including flying and driving vehicles.
Also, it will have plenty of eyecandy. Check out some of these screenies... http://www.planetfortress.com/tf2/screen-shots.shtml
Marty
OK nobody answered my question.... Am I not right that the graphics engine of Halo is so superior that it would be completely wasted on a Anolog-TV screen?! And yes your right about MP if you can't plug into a cable/dsl modem it will suck.... BUT heres the catch on that.... I work for MediaOne, now 2 weeks ago we where aquired by AT&T to help advance thier grasp of the Broadband HSD cable market, now this is the great wonderful world of mergers and hands in each others pockets... guess who owns 5% of AT&T... you guessed it Microsoft, and you know why, set-top cable boxes for internet/gaming/DVcable all powered by Windows CE! If I can find this article I will post it, it was quite interesting, makes me happy I work for bigbrother, show me the money!
just putting this on the top of the pile... just want to see if anybody else wants to put thier $.02 in!
"Am I not right that the graphics engine of Halo is so superior that it would be completely wasted on a Anolog-TV screen?!"
No, absolutely not. So far, PC gaming and consoles for that matter are pathetic eyesores compared to what is available at 640x480, let alone the higher resolutions afforded by monitors. I've said it before and I'm about to say it again, A Bug's Life on DVD on my TV kick the ever living he!! out of any game I've ever seen by a factor so large it is pathetic. The problem is not, and has not been, fillrate or higher resolutions, it has been incredibly low geometry complexity and to a somewhat lesser extent but still very important aspect environmental effects.
If anyone doubts this, fire up your DVD player(on your TV) and pop in your favorite fx movie. That is what can be done by a console and TV. The biggest problem for TVs is text, but with any game that large amounts of text need to be placed on screen, you should probably be using a keyboard. With X-Box's incredible sound capabilities, text can very easily be optional(all audio).
"What kind of internet capabilities will XBox have?"
Ethernet out of the box.
Soccerman- Halo is still looking to be the killer T&L title, it just will do it on a different platform
It will more then likely help the game quite a bit as they will not have to worry about people running antiquated non T&L hardware
No, absolutely not. So far, PC gaming and consoles for that matter are pathetic eyesores compared to what is available at 640x480, let alone the higher resolutions afforded by monitors. I've said it before and I'm about to say it again, A Bug's Life on DVD on my TV kick the ever living he!! out of any game I've ever seen by a factor so large it is pathetic. The problem is not, and has not been, fillrate or higher resolutions, it has been incredibly low geometry complexity and to a somewhat lesser extent but still very important aspect environmental effects.
If anyone doubts this, fire up your DVD player(on your TV) and pop in your favorite fx movie. That is what can be done by a console and TV. The biggest problem for TVs is text, but with any game that large amounts of text need to be placed on screen, you should probably be using a keyboard. With X-Box's incredible sound capabilities, text can very easily be optional(all audio).
"What kind of internet capabilities will XBox have?"
Ethernet out of the box.
Soccerman- Halo is still looking to be the killer T&L title, it just will do it on a different platform
It will more then likely help the game quite a bit as they will not have to worry about people running antiquated non T&L hardwareThe thing that bothers me most is that hipocritical statement from Bungie concerning the platform decision. First, they come out of nowhere with a trailer PERFORMED ON A MACINTOSH IN OPENGL (So clearly PC and MAC) on MACWORLD. That was 99. Then they are all over the PC Mags (on nearly every cover). Second, they give long interviews about
HALO and it´s goal, features etc ON THE PC! Third, the are on the E3
and every other PC Convention to show their Game to the PC audience.
Granted, there are PSX and Dreamcast at these shows as well, but this
was clearly marked as the revolution in PC GAMING.
Then MS bought Bungie.
Then this sh"§ty statement"we are independet from ..The question about the platform has not yet been final. We are in the process of determining the right choice." Well, U SAID IT WAS A PC AND MAC GAME FOR 7 MONTHS!
I hate Hipocrits!
If MS is forcing them to delay HALO for PC in favor of XBOX or if they
make it an exclusive, THAT WILL BE MY PROOF THAT MS IS REALLY FULL OF SH§T. If they can´t innovate, they just buy other talents and spoil them with money.
HALO was supposed to out EARLY THIS YEAR(Q1 2000)
It was delayed to Q1 2001 BEFORE MS bought them.
IF it will be an Xbox title, and they delay the working PC version because of that puny little piece of sh%T it could take till Q3 2002.
Anybody else hear the curse of Daikatana....?
I am sorry that there is so much hate in my post, but this really
bugs me.
HALO and it´s goal, features etc ON THE PC! Third, the are on the E3
and every other PC Convention to show their Game to the PC audience.
Granted, there are PSX and Dreamcast at these shows as well, but this
was clearly marked as the revolution in PC GAMING.
Then MS bought Bungie.
Then this sh"§ty statement"we are independet from ..The question about the platform has not yet been final. We are in the process of determining the right choice." Well, U SAID IT WAS A PC AND MAC GAME FOR 7 MONTHS!
I hate Hipocrits!
If MS is forcing them to delay HALO for PC in favor of XBOX or if they
make it an exclusive, THAT WILL BE MY PROOF THAT MS IS REALLY FULL OF SH§T. If they can´t innovate, they just buy other talents and spoil them with money.
HALO was supposed to out EARLY THIS YEAR(Q1 2000)
It was delayed to Q1 2001 BEFORE MS bought them.
IF it will be an Xbox title, and they delay the working PC version because of that puny little piece of sh%T it could take till Q3 2002.
Anybody else hear the curse of Daikatana....?
I am sorry that there is so much hate in my post, but this really
bugs me.
Ben... why are you... yeah... j/k! Yeah I know, I have a DVD player... and WOW! But I just don't understand why MS would be stupid and hold this back and release it only on the X'BOX... yeah I know they said that the platform is undecided... which brings me to another point... if it will be release on the X-Box... that is WinCE, there probably will be a way to hack it and play it on a PC... don't you think?
Seriously people, think about what you are saying! First off, I don't have any clue, but I can almost GUARANTEE you that Halo will come out on PC. Just because Microsoft bought Bungie doesn't mean they'll scrap all their work for the Mac and PC just to make it for the X-Box. And are you all forgetting who makes the most sold OS for PCs? Yeah, that's right, Microsoft. So why would they pull it from their other platform? Halo isn't going to make EVERYONE go out buy an X-Box. Their marketing team knows they'll make even more profits by offering it to the PC as well as X-Box and their Marketing Strategy is to probably use Halo as an "attraction" or a "demo of how well the X-Box performs". Starting to make sense now? It's a secured release title designed to show off how good their X-Box is and how it's comparable to a PC.
Now the MAC platform is where you might be worried. Apple is a rival OS and platform. But would it benefit Microsoft to keep it from the MAC? I doubt it. Besides, a Mac would probably choke trying to run the game anyways. (j/k)
Now I think even Ben would probably agree with what I've said. Come on Ben, enlighten us as you always do.
Now the MAC platform is where you might be worried. Apple is a rival OS and platform. But would it benefit Microsoft to keep it from the MAC? I doubt it. Besides, a Mac would probably choke trying to run the game anyways. (j/k)
Now I think even Ben would probably agree with what I've said. Come on Ben, enlighten us as you always do.
hehe I knew Benskywalker would waltz on in here..
I on the other hand, think that resolution is just as important as the millions of polygons you can pump. using his example of DVD's, you watch it on TV, then you watch it on your monitor. what do you see? graphics that look much better IMHO, you can see soo much more, but that requires even more processing power to fool people with high res devices into thinking it's real (the whole reason for Special effects).
So, IMHO, consoles suck for that reason. even they don't REALLY run at 640X480 on NTSC (I don't know about PAL), it's more like 512X whatever.. I don't remember
that's one part of the reason why your monitor @ 640X480 looks soo much better then your TV, the other reason is that TV updates the WHOLE screen every 1/30th of a second, but fools your eyes a bit by scanning every second line, each time it passes, so half the screen is refreshed every 1/60th of a second.
This allows more fluid motion, but loses on quality quite a bit. I'm a reolution fanatic, and here Benskywalker is a polygon fanatic! no wonder we don't agree on some things.
But he knows his stuff, and if the XBox is capable of going to HDTV (when will that ever become more realistic in terms of cost??) that will negate the point a fair amount. in fact, the highest res the HDTV is capable of (1920X1024 I think) is higher then most monitors can (1600X1200).
BTW, I just read in the latest Popular Science that the Xbox graphics chip will be running at 300mhz.. who know's if that's true, we'll see. I already saw some preliminary info on the Xbox, who know's if that's true too...
I on the other hand, think that resolution is just as important as the millions of polygons you can pump. using his example of DVD's, you watch it on TV, then you watch it on your monitor. what do you see? graphics that look much better IMHO, you can see soo much more, but that requires even more processing power to fool people with high res devices into thinking it's real (the whole reason for Special effects).
So, IMHO, consoles suck for that reason. even they don't REALLY run at 640X480 on NTSC (I don't know about PAL), it's more like 512X whatever.. I don't remember
that's one part of the reason why your monitor @ 640X480 looks soo much better then your TV, the other reason is that TV updates the WHOLE screen every 1/30th of a second, but fools your eyes a bit by scanning every second line, each time it passes, so half the screen is refreshed every 1/60th of a second.
This allows more fluid motion, but loses on quality quite a bit. I'm a reolution fanatic, and here Benskywalker is a polygon fanatic! no wonder we don't agree on some things.
But he knows his stuff, and if the XBox is capable of going to HDTV (when will that ever become more realistic in terms of cost??) that will negate the point a fair amount. in fact, the highest res the HDTV is capable of (1920X1024 I think) is higher then most monitors can (1600X1200).
BTW, I just read in the latest Popular Science that the Xbox graphics chip will be running at 300mhz.. who know's if that's true, we'll see. I already saw some preliminary info on the Xbox, who know's if that's true too...
Guys X-box is year and a half away. Why should I care about it at all.
By the time its out we will be playing New Doom on GeForce 5 or something.
Too bad Halo might miss its window. If it comes out next spring it will be just another game.
At least Microsoft havent bought id software yet.
By the time its out we will be playing New Doom on GeForce 5 or something.
Too bad Halo might miss its window. If it comes out next spring it will be just another game.
At least Microsoft havent bought id software yet.
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