Where Iraq's WMDs Went

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Where Iraq's WMDs Went

By Rowan Scarborough
The Washington Times | August 16, 2004

Saddam Hussein periodically removed guards on the Syrian border and replaced them with his own intelligence agents who supervised the movement of banned materials between the two countries, U.S. investigators have discovered.

The recent discovery by the Bush administration's Iraq Survey Group (ISG) is fueling speculation, but is not proof, that the Iraqi dictator moved prohibited weapons of mass destruction (WMD) into Syria before the March 2003 invasion by a U.S.-led coalition.

Two defense sources told The Washington Times that the ISG has interviewed Iraqis who told of Saddam's system of dispatching his trusted Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) to the border, where they would send border inspectors away.

The shift was followed by the movement of trucks in and out of Syria suspected of carrying materials banned by U.N. sanctions. Once the shipments were made, the agents would leave and the regular border guards would resume their posts.

"If you leave it to border guards, then the border guards could stop the trucks and extract their 10 percent, just like the mob would do," said a Pentagon official who asked not to be named. "Saddam's family was controlling the black market, and it was a good opportunity for them to make money."

Sources said Saddam and his family grew rich from this black market and personally dispatched his dreaded intelligence service to the border to make sure the shipments got through.

The ISG is a 1,400-member team organized by the Pentagon and CIA to hunt for Saddam's suspected stockpiles of WMD, such as chemical and biological agents. So far, the search has failed to find such stockpiles, which were the main reason for President Bush ordering the invasion of Iraq to remove Saddam.

But there is evidence of unusually heavy truck traffic into Syria in the days before the attack, and with it, speculation that some of the trucks contained the banned weapons.

"Of course, it's always suspicious," the Pentagon official said.

The source said the ISG has confirmed the practice of IIS agents going to the border. Investigators also have heard from Iraqi sources that this maneuver was done days before the war at a time of brisk cross-border movements.

That particular part of the disclosures has not been positively confirmed, the officials said, although it dovetails with Saddam's system of switching guards at a time when contraband was shipped.

The United States spotted the heavy truck traffic via satellite imagery before the war. But spy cameras cannot look through truck canopies, and the ISG has not been able to determine whether any weapons were sent to Syria for hiding.

In an interview in October, retired Lt. Gen. James R. Clapper Jr., who heads the U.S. agency that processes and analyzes satellite imagery, said he thinks that Saddam's underlings hid banned weapons of mass destruction before the war.

"I think personally that those below the senior leadership saw what was coming, and I think they went to some extraordinary lengths to dispose of the evidence," said Gen. Clapper, who heads the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency. "I'll call it an 'educated hunch.' "

He added, "I think probably in the few months running up prior to the onset of combat that I think there was probably an intensive effort to disperse into private homes, move documentation and materials out of the country. I think there are any number of things that they would have done."

Of activity on the Syrian border, Gen. Clapper said, "There is no question that there was a lot of traffic, increase in traffic up to the immediate onset of combat and certainly during Iraqi Freedom. ... The obvious conclusion one draws is the sudden upturn, uptick in traffic which may have been people leaving the scene, fleeing Iraq and unquestionably, I'm sure, material as well."

He also said, "Based on what we saw prior to the onset of hostilities, we certainly felt there were indications of WMD activity. ... Actually knowing what is going on inside a building is quite a different thing than, say, this facility may well be a place where there may be WMD."

The Iraq Survey Group, which periodically briefs senior officials and Congress, is due to deliver its next report in September. In addition to interviewing hundreds of Iraqis, the ISG has collected and cataloged millions of pages of documents, not all of which have been fully examined.

Although Syria and Iraq competed for influence in the region, they shared the same Ba'athist socialist ideology and maintained close ties at certain government levels. The United States accused Syria during the war of harboring some of Saddam's inner circle.


This article is slightly old but still relevant. Good read.
 

raildogg

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Another interesting piece

Syria is hiding Iraq's WMDs

OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM
Report: Syria hiding Iraqi WMD
Sources say relative of President Assad smuggled arms to 3 places

Posted: January 6, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern


© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

A relative of Syrian President Bashar Assad is hiding Iraqi weapons of mass destruction in three locations in Syria, according to intelligence sources cited by an exiled opposition party.

The weapons were smuggled in large wooden crates and barrels by Zu Alhema al-Shaleesh, known for moving arms into Iraq in violation of U.N. resolutions and for sending recruits to fight coalition forces, said the U.S.-based Reform Party of Syria.

The party, based in Potomac, Md., regards itself as a secular body comprised of Syrians who want to see the country embrace "real democratic and economic reforms."

One weapons-cache location identified by the sources is a mountain tunnel near the village of al-Baidah in northwest Syria, the report said. The tunnel is known to house a branch of the Assad regime's national security apparatus.

Two other arms supplies are reported to be in west-central Syria. One is hidden at a factory operated by the Syrian Air Force, near the village of Tal Snan, between the cities of Hama and Salmiyeh. The third location is tunnels beneath the small town of Shinshar, which belongs to the 661 battalion of the Syrian Air Force.

The nephew of Zu Alhema al-Shaleesh, Assef al-Shaleesh, runs Al Bashair Trading Co., a front for the Assad family involved prior to the war in oil smuggling from Iraq and arms smuggling into the country. Al-Bashair has offices in Damascus, Beirut and Baghdad.

In an exclusive interview yesterday with the London Telegraph, Assad came close to admitting his country possessed stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction.

Assad told the London paper Syria rejects American and British demands for concessions on weapons of mass destruction, insisting Damascus is entitled to defend itself by acquiring its own chemical and biological deterrent.

He said Israel must agree to abandon its undeclared nuclear arsenal in order for Syria to consider any deal with the U.S.

Last week, the Los Angeles Times reported Al Bashair Trading Co. participated in the smuggling of millions of dollars worth of sophisticated arms and equipment to Saddam Hussein for three years prior to the Iraqi leader's overthrow.

Al Bashair executives met with North Korean firms before the war began, according to the Los Angeles daily. The paper's three-month investigation included the translation of 800 signed contracts found in the Al Bashair Trading Co. office shortly before U.S. troops entered Baghdad.

Just prior to the U.S.-led effort to oust Hussein, SES International Corp. signed at least 50 contracts to supply weapons and gear to Iraq, the Times said, including 1,000 heavy machine guns and up to 20 million rounds for assault rifles.

Not all the weapons were delivered, but some may still be in use by terrorists battling the U.S. occupation forces, the newspaper said.

At least one shipment of arms was completed with the help of the Syrian government in violation of a U.N. arms embargo.

SES International Corp. denied any wrongdoing, while Syria's foreign ministry refused to comment to the Times.
 

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HA!

I reeeeealy doubt that the US special forces would let stuff like that slip by in the ininital stage of the war
 

raildogg

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Originally posted by: halik
HA!

I reeeeealy doubt that the US special forces would let stuff like that slip by in the ininital stage of the war

almost all of the border is unguarded, both the Iranian and Syrian borders
 

SuperTool

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WND has supported the WMD fraud from the very beginning. It's a GOP propaganda mouthpiece.
If Iraq indeed had WMD's that means that Bush has either allowed them to fall into hands of terrorists or they are currently unguarded and available to anyone who wants them. Either way, it's nothing to brag about.
 

raildogg

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
WND has supported the WMD fraud from the very beginning. It's a GOP propaganda mouthpiece.
If Iraq indeed had WMD's that means that Bush has either allowed them to fall into hands of terrorists or they are currently unguarded and available to anyone who wants them. Either way, it's nothing to brag about.

thats like saying the Nation or the Washington Post are the democrat party mouthpieces, which they are clearly not.
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: SuperTool
WND has supported the WMD fraud from the very beginning. It's a GOP propaganda mouthpiece.
If Iraq indeed had WMD's that means that Bush has either allowed them to fall into hands of terrorists or they are currently unguarded and available to anyone who wants them. Either way, it's nothing to brag about.

thats like saying the Nation or the Washington Post are the democrat party mouthpieces, which they are clearly not.

But WND is a GOP mouthpiece.
 

raildogg

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: SuperTool
WND has supported the WMD fraud from the very beginning. It's a GOP propaganda mouthpiece.
If Iraq indeed had WMD's that means that Bush has either allowed them to fall into hands of terrorists or they are currently unguarded and available to anyone who wants them. Either way, it's nothing to brag about.

thats like saying the Nation or the Washington Post are the democrat party mouthpieces, which they are clearly not.

But WND is a GOP mouthpiece.

But CBS is on the democrat party payroll :thumbsup: :cool:
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: SuperTool
WND has supported the WMD fraud from the very beginning. It's a GOP propaganda mouthpiece.
If Iraq indeed had WMD's that means that Bush has either allowed them to fall into hands of terrorists or they are currently unguarded and available to anyone who wants them. Either way, it's nothing to brag about.

thats like saying the Nation or the Washington Post are the democrat party mouthpieces, which they are clearly not.

But WND is a GOP mouthpiece.

But CBS is on the democrat party payroll :thumbsup: :cool:

Is that why they fired several for running a piece against Bush?
 

raildogg

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: SuperTool
WND has supported the WMD fraud from the very beginning. It's a GOP propaganda mouthpiece.
If Iraq indeed had WMD's that means that Bush has either allowed them to fall into hands of terrorists or they are currently unguarded and available to anyone who wants them. Either way, it's nothing to brag about.

thats like saying the Nation or the Washington Post are the democrat party mouthpieces, which they are clearly not.

But WND is a GOP mouthpiece.

But CBS is on the democrat party payroll :thumbsup: :cool:

Is that why they fired several for running a piece against Bush?

It was not a serious comment, just responding to your ridiculous idea that WND is a GOP mouthpiece.
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: SuperTool
WND has supported the WMD fraud from the very beginning. It's a GOP propaganda mouthpiece.
If Iraq indeed had WMD's that means that Bush has either allowed them to fall into hands of terrorists or they are currently unguarded and available to anyone who wants them. Either way, it's nothing to brag about.

thats like saying the Nation or the Washington Post are the democrat party mouthpieces, which they are clearly not.

But WND is a GOP mouthpiece.

But CBS is on the democrat party payroll :thumbsup: :cool:

Is that why they fired several for running a piece against Bush?

It was not a serious comment, just responding to your ridiculous idea that WND is a GOP mouthpiece.

Which it is. Here is a SAT answer for you ;)

GOP : WND = KPSS : Pravda
 

Train

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Originally posted by: halik
HA!

I reeeeealy doubt that the US special forces would let stuff like that slip by in the ininital stage of the war
lol, do you know how bigh the western desert of Iraq is? you think special forces are gonna seal it up? There was a story of a Brittish special agent who was lost in the desert for 4 days before finding anyone/thing back in 1991
 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: halik
HA!

I reeeeealy doubt that the US special forces would let stuff like that slip by in the ininital stage of the war

almost all of the border is unguarded, both the Iranian and Syrian borders

proof? I'm calling for proof. It's mostly desert where there is no border activity. Humvies/Tanks have a hard time passing in the desert. They must have super vehicles.
 

raildogg

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Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: halik
HA!

I reeeeealy doubt that the US special forces would let stuff like that slip by in the ininital stage of the war

almost all of the border is unguarded, both the Iranian and Syrian borders

proof? I'm calling for proof. It's mostly desert where there is no border activity. Humvies/Tanks have a hard time passing in the desert. They must have super vehicles.

you have heard of a thing called "roads", havent you?
 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: halik
HA!

I reeeeealy doubt that the US special forces would let stuff like that slip by in the ininital stage of the war

almost all of the border is unguarded, both the Iranian and Syrian borders

proof? I'm calling for proof. It's mostly desert where there is no border activity. Humvies/Tanks have a hard time passing in the desert. They must have super vehicles.

you have heard of a thing called "roads", havent you?

And those roads have security?
 

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Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: halik
HA!

I reeeeealy doubt that the US special forces would let stuff like that slip by in the ininital stage of the war

almost all of the border is unguarded, both the Iranian and Syrian borders

What idiot planned that one?
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: SuperTool
WND has supported the WMD fraud from the very beginning. It's a GOP propaganda mouthpiece.
If Iraq indeed had WMD's that means that Bush has either allowed them to fall into hands of terrorists or they are currently unguarded and available to anyone who wants them. Either way, it's nothing to brag about.

thats like saying the Nation or the Washington Post are the democrat party mouthpieces, which they are clearly not.

But WND is a GOP mouthpiece.

But CBS is on the democrat party payroll :thumbsup: :cool:

Is that why they fired several for running a piece against Bush?

It was not a serious comment, just responding to your ridiculous idea that WND is a GOP mouthpiece.

It's quite obvious that they are.
 

Rainsford

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Excuse me while I call bullsh!t on such reputable news sources as WND and the Washington Times. I don't think they are "GOP mouthpieces", but it's pretty clear they are VERY biased towards Bush.

In any case, I'd like to see something more than "suspicious activity" before I'm ready to declare where the WMDs went. Otherwise it just sounds like the cons whining, "No, there WERE WMDs here, we swear! They must have gone somewhere...I know...Syria! There was some suspicious activity, and stuff, that must have been it." Sorry, but after the whole WMDs in Iraq thing, it doesn't sound very credible.
 
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Originally posted by: sandorski
Reality News: Now

Saddams WMD went up in smoke many years ago.

Oh thank god! Conclusive evidence from a source on-the-scene and in-the-know! Now I can sleep better at night!

Jason
 

raildogg

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You people look quite silly, I mean the same that you say of WND could be said of the Nation magazine of NY Times for being so anti Bush in their editorials etc.
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Excuse me while I call bullsh!t on such reputable news sources as WND and the Washington Times. I don't think they are "GOP mouthpieces", but it's pretty clear they are VERY biased towards Bush.

In any case, I'd like to see something more than "suspicious activity" before I'm ready to declare where the WMDs went. Otherwise it just sounds like the cons whining, "No, there WERE WMDs here, we swear! They must have gone somewhere...I know...Syria! There was some suspicious activity, and stuff, that must have been it." Sorry, but after the whole WMDs in Iraq thing, it doesn't sound very credible.

I think its funny how they twist the words of the ISG. :)

Using their words to come up with an exactly contradictory conclusion.