Where does Ron Paul stand on PAYGO?

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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Obama on Tuesday proposed making "pay-as-you-go" rules for federal spending into law.

The so-called PAYGO proposal requires Congress to balance any increased spending by equal savings elsewhere, Obama said in announcing the measure that now goes to Congress.

A previous PAYGO mandate helped erase federal budget deficits in the 1990s, and subsequent ineffective rules contributed to the current budget deficits, Obama said. Now the PAYGO rules should be the law, he said.

"Paying for what you spend is basic common sense," Obama said. "Perhaps that's why, here in Washington, it's been so elusive."

Republican leaders said the proposal comes after record spending initiatives by the Obama administration, such as the $787 billion economic stimulus program.
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"It seems a tad disingenuous for the president and Speaker [Nancy] Pelosi to talk about PAYGO rules after ramming trillions in spending through Congress proposing policies that create more debt in the first six months of this year than in the previous 220 years combined," said Rep. Eric Cantor of Virginia, the House Minority Whip.

However, a group of fiscally conservative Democratic representatives known as the Blue Dogs called Obama's proposal responsible and necessary.

"President Obama inherited an economy in free-fall and a $10.6 trillion national debt," said Rep. Jim Cooper of Tennessee, vice-chairman of the Blue Dog Budget and Financial Services Task Force.

"While short-term spending was necessary to get the economy moving again, our long-term fiscal problems became that much more urgent."

A White House statement said Obama's proposal calls for the Office of Management and Budget to maintain a ledger of the average 10-year budgetary effects of all legislation affecting mandatory spending or baseline tax levels.

Any extra cost that lacks payment authorized by Congress would require the president to find money within the budget to pay it, while any tax cut would require a corresponding increase in tax revenue.

Some costs would be exempt, including Medicare payments to doctors, the estate and gift tax, and tax cuts enacted in 2001 and 2002, the White House statement said.



So what is wrong with this?

To me, it sounds like moving in the right direction. I don't understand why the Reps are bitching.

Unless I am being too optimistic about this idea.

What are the pitfalls?

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compuwiz1

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Who gives a flying frog fart where Ron Paul stands. He's not relevant.
 

MovingTarget

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The Republicans are bitching because: 1) The Democrats are involved and 2) They can't ctrl-z the stimulus and/or TARP*. Other than that I think they are fine with the rule.

*Honestly if they had the opportunity I think many would hesitate to do so...
 

Patranus

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This is like someone who binge eats for 100 days and then decides to go on a diet...Obama is just treating Americans like idiots...distracting them while he enacts his agenda.
 

Ronstang

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PAYGO is only objectionable because the Democrats are going to use it to justify raising taxes and fees on everything. It would be acceptable if under PAYGO we decided not to do something because we did not have the money but it will be used to simply raise taxes when the funding cannot be obtained from cutting something else. The sad part is the Democrats are going to inflate the dollar into a situation where increasing taxes still isn't going to pay for all they want let alone the basics which we need.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Ronstang
PAYGO is only objectionable because the Democrats are going to use it to justify raising taxes and fees on everything. It would be acceptable if under PAYGO we decided not to do something because we did not have the money but it will be used to simply raise taxes when the funding cannot be obtained from cutting something else. The sad part is the Democrats are going to inflate the dollar into a situation where increasing taxes still isn't going to pay for all they want let alone the basics which we need.

Heh... yeah.
 

frostedflakes

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Yeah now that the administration's political capital is starting to run out they're back tracking on the spending. I welcome any meaningful legislation to help control federal deficits, but where was the push for paygo early on in his presidency? Of course paygo was nowhere to be found because there's no way that the stimulus bill and some of the Democrat's other programs could have been pushed through so easily.
 

Rockinacoustic

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Here's a good article on the criticisms that come to light on this bill.

I agree with the principle of the bill, although there are some convenient loopholes within it (i.e. medicare programs), but it's rather ironic coming after the fact from the man and congress who are championing our deficit spending.
 
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Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Yeah now that the administration's political capital is starting to run out they're back tracking on the spending. I welcome any meaningful legislation to help control federal deficits, but where was the push for paygo early on in his presidency? Of course paygo was nowhere to be found because there's no way that the stimulus bill and some of the Democrat's other programs could have been pushed through so easily.

Just wow. Obama and the Dems make a clear solid step in the right direction for our government, not 6 months into his presidency, after 6 years of the "fiscal conservatives" running things and not getting it done, and you guys still bemoan them? Really? If Republicans really held the fiscal values they pay lip service to they'd be applauding. But no, the Republican mud machine never shuts off and never comes clean. Sling sling sling.
 

Bitek

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Originally posted by: Ronstang
PAYGO is only objectionable because the Democrats are going to use it to justify raising taxes and fees on everything. It would be acceptable if under PAYGO we decided not to do something because we did not have the money but it will be used to simply raise taxes when the funding cannot be obtained from cutting something else. The sad part is the Democrats are going to inflate the dollar into a situation where increasing taxes still isn't going to pay for all they want let alone the basics which we need.

And then they will have votes on record voting for tax cuts. Always a popular resume to run on.

On the same hand, I can say the GOP is opposing it bc they couldn't justify deficit spending like they love to do.


Overall I think its a good thing. Raise taxes at your political peril, else trim back the spending. Seems like a good leash on anybody.
 

Bitek

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Originally posted by: compuwiz1
Who gives a flying frog fart where Ron Paul stands. He's not relevant.

Ron Paul stands for the name drop to justify another PAygO thread where the same shit is going to be bickered about in parallel.

 

Cogman

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I better be careful. With talk like this the dems might woo me over to the dark side.

This sounds like a good plan. If they can pull something like this off without raising taxes I am for it.
 

Rockinacoustic

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Originally posted by: Cogman
I better be careful. With talk like this the dems might woo me over to the dark side.

This sounds like a good plan. If they can pull something like this off without raising taxes I am for it.

Sure. Problem is, who's going to pay for the trillions we spent before this bill? See where it "rings hollow"?
 

Cogman

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Originally posted by: Rockinacoustic
Originally posted by: Cogman
I better be careful. With talk like this the dems might woo me over to the dark side.

This sounds like a good plan. If they can pull something like this off without raising taxes I am for it.

Sure. Problem is, who's going to pay for the trillions we spent before this bill? See where it "rings hollow"?

Tis' True, but it is a step in the right direction. We should now be cutting plans as much as possible to pay for the deficit rather then thinking of new ways to spend the citizens dollar.
 

bamacre

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Considering RP has never voted for an unbalanced budget nor a tax increase, I am sure RP would rather support a program called CUTGO, which would call for spending cuts to go along with increased spending.
 

NoStateofMind

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Considering RP has never voted for an unbalanced budget nor a tax increase, I am sure RP would rather support a program called CUTGO, which would call for spending cuts to go along with increased spending.

"No logical thought allowed here! Go away kid, ya bother me"
 
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It's an interesting topic but you fucked it up with your irrelevant Ron Paul reference. No one gives a shit about that fool except rabid Digg users and 14 year olds with too much idealism and too much time to waste gaming internet polls.
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: Patranus
This is like someone who binge eats for 100 days and then decides to go on a diet...Obama is just treating Americans like idiots...distracting them while he enacts his agenda.

Patranus

You're partly correct there.