Where does Romney come off criticizing Obamacare?

[Mean MrMustard]

This should end the thread, but unfortunately due to our public education system - liberals don't seem to understand that states are supposed to have such powers that aren't expressly designated for the Feds.

Exactly.

 

[Narmer]

This should end the thread, but unfortunately due to our public education system - liberals don't seem to understand that states are supposed to have such powers that aren't expressly designated for the Feds.

One reason why we have high a mobility rate is because of the federal system and competition between states. Nobody wants to move from one state to another and completely lose their healthcare. In this case, a federal system works better.

 

[piasabird]

Health care is health care at the state or federal level it is the same. Romney is speaking from experience. At least he knows something about it. Cant say that for the house of representatives. In essence, health care will have to be implemented at the state level. Dont expect feds to come to your house and sign you up.

 

[werepossum]

Health care is health care at the state or federal level it is the same. Romney is speaking from experience. At least he knows something about it. Cant say that for the house of representatives. In essence, health care will have to be implemented at the state level. Dont expect feds to come to your house and sign you up.

This. It's hard enough for a state to reconcile the needs of its rural counties and large urban centers; it's impossible for the federal government. Progressives want to do away with states altogether to centralize power even more; I guess some necks find a boot to be cozy. Conservatives want to keep them not only as a hedge against a too-powerful government, but because competition is good for government too.

 

[shira]

This should end the thread, but unfortunately due to our public education system - liberals don't seem to understand that states are supposed to have such powers that aren't expressly designated for the Feds.

Except that the power to regulate interstate commerce is explicitly a federal power, a power endlessly invoked by both Republican and Democratic Congresses over the years. And if health care isn't "interstate commerce" (pharmaceuticals, medical devices, huge corporations with hospitals in every state), it's difficult to imagine anything that is.

Unfortunately, due to our private education system, morons like you think they understand things they obviously don't.

 

[EXman]

Why do we even have states? If everything can be handled at the federal level, what's the point?

Now your thinkin just like BHO! Now repeat after me for your next lesson.

"spread the wealth around a little"

 

[cubby1223]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iiJr0VsEeAzB2c1-nokFzCOoXYqgD9EK3TG03

So this is fine for most other politicians, even if they have presidential aspirations..but let's take a look at Romneycare, which Mitt signed into Mass law himself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_health_care_reform

A health care plan that makes insurance affordable to those not making much money, AND an individual mandate requiring all citizens to purchase insurance or face a fine? Gosh why does that sound familiar?

You don't think anyone's opinion can change after seeing the end results of one's ideas?

There are also different things a state government can do that the federal government cannot constitutionally do.

But if you weren't such a partisan hack, you'd have realized that by now.

 

[bamacre]

When he did it, it was good, when Dems do it, it's bad, Mkay?

That's all you really need to know- Republicans goose-stepping in formation, chanting their newest jingo...

Obama running for president, mandate is bad. Obama is president, mandate is necessary.

 

[bamacre]

Except that the power to regulate interstate commerce is explicitly a federal power, a power endlessly invoked by both Republican and Democratic Congresses over the years. And if health care isn't "interstate commerce" (pharmaceuticals, medical devices, huge corporations with hospitals in every state), it's difficult to imagine anything that is.

Unfortunately, due to our private education system, morons like you think they understand things they obviously don't.

I don't think the word "regulate" as it was used in the US Constitution means what you think it means.

 

[StageLeft]

Because, person who hates freedom and America, when Republicans do something it's patriotic and right and when dems do it's socialist and freedom-hating. This is page 3 paragraphs 3 through 8 of the republican playbook.

 

[sportage]

Romney was a joke on Larry King last night 3/23. A three year old could trip him up on his answers. Very weird politician.

 

[AzureNightmareX1]

The democrats on the Federal political stage had better start respecting the rights of the individual states or some very bad things may happen to their political careers. This raging bull through a china shop style of legislation passing has to stop here and now.

 

[Linflas]

Except that the power to regulate interstate commerce is explicitly a federal power, a power endlessly invoked by both Republican and Democratic Congresses over the years. And if health care isn't "interstate commerce" (pharmaceuticals, medical devices, huge corporations with hospitals in every state), it's difficult to imagine anything that is.

Unfortunately, due to our private education system, morons like you think they understand things they obviously don't.

Really? Try buying a health insurance policy from a state other than the one you live in and get back to me on that. All you did was make an argument that medicines, medical devices, and perhaps Hospital holding corporations could be covered by the interstate commerce clause. Rather than your condescending dismissal as uneducated anyone that doesn't agree with your view maybe you should research a bit and you would find there are some very good arguments being made on both sides of this issue. You might start by finding one example of a Federal law requiring a private citizen to purchase a good or service from another private citizen.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Except that the power to regulate interstate commerce is explicitly a federal power, a power endlessly invoked by both Republican and Democratic Congresses over the years. And if health care isn't "interstate commerce" (pharmaceuticals, medical devices, huge corporations with hospitals in every state), it's difficult to imagine anything that is.

Unfortunately, due to our private education system, morons like you think they understand things they obviously don't.

OK, lets just say you are correct for a minute(you're not but lets just say you are) so what if a person chooses NOT to participate in said commerce? You think that clause allows the Feds to FORCE commerce?

Silly little libs...

 

[CADsortaGUY]

One reason why we have high a mobility rate is because of the federal system and competition between states. Nobody wants to move from one state to another and completely lose their healthcare. In this case, a federal system works better.

Then remove the restrictions on the Insurance companies. No need for a heavy handed Fed gov't solution when there are very simple individual fixes for things that respect and follow the Constitution.

 

[piasabird]

It is a stretch calling a doctors office interstate commerce. A doctor lives in one state and can only be in one state at a time. Therefore, he can only treat people in the state he is in. Are you stupid?

 

[rudder]

Read the 10th Amendment. obamacare is unconstitutional whereas romneycare is not.

 

[nonlnear]

It is a stretch calling a doctors office interstate commerce. A doctor lives in one state and can only be in one state at a time. Therefore, he can only treat people in the state he is in. Are you stupid?

What do you know of Comerce Clause precedents? The term "interstate" has been completely gutted. SCOTUS says that all commerce is effectively interstate commerce except for state specific items like license plates, etc. Even the lack of commerce is interstate commerce if somebody somewhere buys or sells what you are making for yourself.

That really means the interstate and the commerce in "interstate commerce" have been eviscerated of all meaning!

 

[her209]

Did Romney criticize the contents of the bill?

 

[piasabird]

Obammah does not have a clue how to run a business or how to implement his healthcare. Doesnt take much intelligence to be a community organizer. You just take orders and go and try to do something for people that are less fortunate.

 

[piasabird]

So who is to say who is qualified to critisize this monster of a health care bill? Every time the Democrats write any legislation they complicate it with so much red tape and anti freedom requirements like quotas for for doctors or exemptions for overpaid union workers. What about freedom and equal opportunity?

Pelosi is a communist and this is her work. She was in charge of this fiasco. Businesses and companies leave the united states because of this kind of stupid legislation. People lose their jobs for stupid social engineering.

 

[Robor]

So who is to say who is qualified to critisize this monster of a health care bill? Every time the Democrats write any legislation they complicate it with so much red tape and anti freedom requirements like quotas for for doctors or exemptions for overpaid union workers. What about freedom and equal opportunity?

Pelosi is a communist and this is her work. She was in charge of this fiasco. Businesses and companies leave the united states because of this kind of stupid legislation. People lose their jobs for stupid social engineering.

Polly want a cracker?

 

[Syringer]

Circa 2005: http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/health/2005-07-04-health-insurance-usat_x.htm

Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney re-ignited that debate last month when he announced a plan to expand health coverage to all the state's residents, with a caveat that those who don't buy coverage could face a penalty.

"We can't have as a nation 40 million people — or, in my state, half a million — saying, 'I don't have insurance, and if I get sick, I want someone else to pay,' " says Romney, a Republican who says he might run for president in 2008.
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"It's a conservative idea," says Romney, "insisting that individuals have responsibility for their own health care. I think it appeals to people on both sides of the aisle: insurance for everyone without a tax increase

 

[MotF Bane]

So who is to say who is qualified to critisize this monster of a Patriot Act? Every time the Republicans write any legislation they complicate it with so much red tape and anti freedom requirements like wiretapping on citizens or exemptions for domestic spying. What about freedom and privacy?

Sensenbrenner is a fascist and this is his work. He was in charge of this fiasco. Businesses and companies install rooms for NSA because of this kind of stupid legislation. People lose their privacy for an attempt at a little security.

All it takes is a few words. :awe: