Where can I find a blank BILL OF SALE legal document online?

RossMAN

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Monday UPDATE: Anyone know where I can download a simple legal looking BILL OF SALE for a car currently registered in Oregon being sold to someone in Washington state? I know I can type up something but I want something pre-done with "AS IS - no warranty" disclaimers, yadda yadda and I'm very lazy. Please provide a link, thanks.

UPDATE: Just got back from SELLING the salvage titled 94 Toyota Corolla. I got caught in I-5 North traffic going up to Vancouver so I was about 20 lates. So I called the lady and informed her I'm sorry I'll be a little ok due to traffic I think she appreciated that honesty. Eventually made it there, the 16 year old daughter was waiting on the screen corner to guide us to the house via an alley because the streets were being paved. When I pulled up they had a late 90's Toyota Tacoma truck and 2000 Toyota Camry LE then I figured damn these people love their Toyota's which I later found out is true. The mother whined about small things like the rubber lining on the windshield was cut off a few inches and when the car goes into reverse it stutters a little or makes a small noise, all I said was what do you expect from an 8 year old car? When they opened the car they noticed that it was very clean and smelled nice (had it detailed for only $75 and those damn Vanilla trees are like candy for the nose). First impressions really do matter. I showed up unshaven but I did have a nice Old Navy polo shirt on, some AE cargo shorts, my 30% off Nike Octane's and a limping left leg (no more cast).

Fortunately I didn't have to whip out the KBB/Edmunds print outs I think I would have felt really stupid or desperate doing that. They were intrigued about my wife's accent and what she thinks of America, etc. I didn't do the cell phone thing with the wife but that would have been a little too low even for me

The father and daughter wanted to test drive the car alone, I wasn't sure what to say so I said ok. So Susan and I went inside, talked a little about the car, BS'd for a while, father returns said it looks ok grab the check book. I wish it were a cashier's check but I'll wait a good 10 business days (2 weeks) for the personal check to clear before sending it onto Mr. CitiBank VISA (fortunately my Mr. CitiBank MasterCard has 0% APR on balance transfers until Nov 2003).

Somehow we got to talking about computers, the father said he's looking for a new PC for his son but all the Best Buy PCs were well over $1,000 so I quoted him a loaded Dimension 4500 for around $500 shipped when the next coupon/rebate/free shipping comes around, LOL.

So yeah I'm pretty fscking excited about selling the car for WAY more than I expected. When I bought it back in September I knew a SALVAGE TITLE was the mark of death. Never ever again will I buy a salvage titled car, it just isn't worth the hassle of trying to sell.

Damn I spent $75 on a 6 week newspaper ad and it sold the first day it was listed.

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Someone has responded to my 94 Toyota Corolla for sale ad which started running today. I listed it at $3,900.00 to allow the buyer to low ball me down to $2,500 (hoping for $3,000). I called the interested buyer back, she lives about 20 minutes away and I'm going to her house after my dr. appt (x-ray my ankle and follow up check). This car is for their 16 year old daughter (sorry no pics), their father will be the one who's going to ask the questions, kick the tires and test drive it while I'm in the car. The mother has already asked me on the phone if I'd be willing to go lower than $3,900 I said throw me a number she said $3,000 then mumbled something and said $3,300 I said ok to $3,300.

I'm afraid that when I get there they'll low ball me down to $3,000 or $2,700 or $2,500 I'd love to get $3,300 for it.

Any ideas/tips/suggestions on negotiating?

Should I bring some edmunds and kbb print outs with me? They have already seen pics of the car online and seem to like it. She asked if this has ever been in an accident I said yes, a minor accident to the front which has totally been repaired (this is true). So I'm guessing that she knows it's a salvaged title but I dunno for sure. I don't really want to use those words on the phone until they see the car, who knows they may be WOW'd by the car and don't care if it's salvaged or not.

Edmunds.com estimates the value at $4,087 which is broken down below:
Base price $3,350
Optional Equipment $522
Color Adjustment $25
Regional Adjustment $190
Mileage Adjustment $0
Condition Adjustment $0
Total $4,087

Kelley Blue Book (http://www.kbb.com/) values this car at $4,640

I originally paid $4,000 for this back in September 2001 and since then have spent around $1,000 total on repairs (timing belt, rebuilt starter, new battery, gas, etc.) not to mention car insurance.

Monday I had the car detailed cleaned inside and out it looks great. The rear view mirror broke off so I am replacing that today before the test drive.

HELP!
 

RossMAN

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Anyone?

I'm showing the car to the prospective buyers in about 3 hours, need some suggestions from ATOTers!
 

ggavinmoss

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If you let them think they're getting ahead (wearing you down) then they might not push for a much cheaper price.

Stick to your $3300 and tell them you're pretty set on it. If they force the issue, stand strong and maybe knock it down another $100 if they're very insistant. Tell them about your "sick grandma" and how she needs "surgery" -- maybe you'll get some sympathy. (truth is, in this case "sick grandma" = RossMAN and "surgery" = more money for hot deals)

If all else fails, throw in a free RossMAN special from Quizno's... it should seal the deal. :D

-geoff
 

cmdavid

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yes printouts are a good idea... dont mention how much you paid for it... sometimes, depending on the person, it is a good idea to mention the repairs because they'll be like, "ok great he already took care of everything.".. but if they know nothing about cars, they'll be like, "wow, this car has a lotta problems, it'll probably have more." ... so that depends... also, you're first mistake was letting her know you were willing to go below... but you didnt screw up totally because you only said 3300 and you're willing to go down to 3000.... so when they try bargaining.. try to keep asking for ~3200-3400 if they ask for anything less than 3000.. remind them that the car is worth 4000+ (and even more if you let them know you spent 1K on repairs).... also let them know that you were asking for 3900 and anything below 3000 would be nearly 25% off what you were asking for and that you would be taking too big a loss to sell it for that cheap...
 

RossMAN

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LOL Thanks for the suggestion and replying, I think I'll have to play some psychological games in letting them think that they're winning.

I hope I can find the car title, it's somewhere at the house and I only have about an hour to search for it.

If they do buy it, I'd like to go to the bank and get the money ASAP but she said cash I wonder if cash = green = :D
 

PsychoAndy

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ok, ross heres the scoop: print out the edmunds and KBB figures. use dealer retail as a starting point, and work your way around to dealer trade in (wholesale). start at the top, work your way down. if they lowball you under $3k, hobble on outta there. dont be afraid to leave them hanging. better idea. set the speed dial to your cell phone to the home phone. sit down, fineagle the buttons, dial the home phone. have susan answer it:

ross: ok, lets talk turkey, how much you looking to pay?
them: $3k
*ross "adjusts" cast here*
*phone rings*
ross: well, i was looking for around $4k
*RossWOMAN steps in*
Susan: Ross, theres a call for you.
Ross: Take a message
Ross: sorry about that, like i said i was looking for...
*RossWOMAN steps back in*
Susan: Ross, he says its about the corolla. he'd like more info and possibly to test drive it today
Ross: excuse me
*Ross hobbles out of the room*
*other party huddles*

get the picture?


where else are they gonna find an impeccably maintained corolla for circa $3k. i wish i coulda spent that much on my first car.
 

RossMAN

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Originally posted by: sandigga
yes printouts are a good idea... dont mention how much you paid for it... sometimes, depending on the person, it is a good idea to mention the repairs because they'll be like, "ok great he already took care of everything.".. but if they know nothing about cars, they'll be like, "wow, this car has a lotta problems, it'll probably have more." ... so that depends... also, you're first mistake was letting her know you were willing to go below... but you didnt screw up totally because you only said 3300 and you're willing to go down to 3000.... so when they try bargaining.. try to keep asking for ~3200-3400 if they ask for anything less than 3000.. remind them that the car is worth 4000+ (and even more if you let them know you spent 1K on repairs).... also let them know that you were asking for 3900 and anything below 3000 would be nearly 25% off what you were asking for and that you would be taking too big a loss to sell it for that cheap...

Ok thanks I think I will bring the Edmunds and KBB print outs with me, I won't whip them out unless it gets to that point.

I did screw up in letting her talk me down to $3,300 I should have said something vague like we'll talk about it or we'll see or I'm willing to consider it. If they pay me $3,300 they can have it.

100% of that is going towards my cc bills!
 

cmdavid

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Originally posted by: RossMAN


If they do buy it, I'd like to go to the bank and get the money ASAP but she said cash I wonder if cash = green = :D
I'd be scared if they handed me 3K in cash.. first thought would be, drug dealers?? I'm sure you'll get a check...

 

RossMAN

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PsychoAndy - Good idea about the Susan thing, she'll be going with me and will have her cell with her.

I won't be hobbling, I'll leave the removeable cast at home :D
 

vi edit

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That whole salvaged problem fscks you in the butt.

Why would they pay $3300 for a salvaged title, when they could go out and get a car with a clean title for the same price? What would you do if in their shoes?
 

DeafeningSilence

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If I were you, I would say:

"$3000? (pause, then continue slowly) I don't think so. I was asking $3900, and I figured I'd go down as low as $3500. But I agreed to $3300 because I know how it is having a daughter. When I got a car for my daughter (or sister, depending on your situation/age) I wanted to find something nice and reliable, where I wouldn't have to worry about it breaking down on her sometime late at night. I mean, I want to help you guys out, but I've already gone lower than I was planning. So I'd really like to get $3300 out of it if it's at all possible."

Yeah, show your sensitive side. ;) (Of course, this is all assuming that the car is reliable!)
 

pyonir

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hypnotize them with your vast array of credit cards...they'll probably give you $5k.
 

RossMAN

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Originally posted by: vi_edit
That whole salvaged problem fscks you in the butt.

Why would they pay $3300 for a salvaged title, when they could go out and get a car with a clean title for the same price? What would you do if in their shoes?

I know :(
 

kranky

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Why all the agonizing? Didn't you both agree on the phone to $3300 already? Just say you already came down $600 and brought the car over to finalize the deal. Let them knock another $100 off if they complain about small dents, paint chipping, etc. but then hold your ground. Say that you didn't want to come down that much but use some of that BS that DeafeningSilence mentioned about the daughter and say that's why you came down so much.

I wouldn't try to bring documentation to convince them the car is worth more according to Kelly or Edmunds. If they are smart, they will have already checked them and there's no point. If they haven't checked them, it would just make it sound like you're trying to pull a fast one. "Look, this car is worth $4600 according to Kelly and $4100 according to Edmunds. I only want $3300! It's a great deal!" I'd be wondering what the catch was.

Don't act desperate - women can smell desperate on a man! :)
 

axelfox

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just say if you don't sell it in 30 days, then you'll give them a call and you can arrange something.
 

dirtboy

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Couple things come to mind and that is you need to make them fully aware the car carries a salvage title. As you probably know, a salvage title significantly reduces the value of any car. You've already agreed to go down to $3,300, but that doesn't mean they can ask for less.

I wouldn't flash kbb values and such, because those are for non-salvage titled cars. Let them drive it on their own and if they like it, let them make an offer based on what they feel it is worth. You don't have to accept their offer either!

Good luck! :)
 

dirtboy

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After scanning the web for articles on salvage titled vehicles, one guy felt that a salvaged titled car in excellent condition was worth $1,000 less than low kbb and others felt that it could drop thousands off the price. If I were you, I'd be happy getting anything over $2,000 for it.
 

RossMAN

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UPDATE: Just got back from SELLING the salvage titled 94 Toyota Corolla. I got caught in I-5 North traffic going up to Vancouver so I was about 20 lates. So I called the lady and informed her I'm sorry I'll be a little ok due to traffic I think she appreciated that honesty. Eventually made it there, the 16 year old daughter was waiting on the screen corner to guide us to the house via an alley because the streets were being paved. When I pulled up they had a late 90's Toyota Tacoma truck and 2000 Toyota Camry LE then I figured damn these people love their Toyota's which I later found out is true. The mother whined about small things like the rubber lining on the windshield was cut off a few inches and when the car goes into reverse it stutters a little or makes a small noise, all I said was what do you expect from an 8 year old car? When they opened the car they noticed that it was very clean and smelled nice (had it detailed for only $75 and those damn Vanilla trees are like candy for the nose). First impressions really do matter. I showed up unshaven but I did have a nice Old Navy polo shirt on, some AE cargo shorts, my 30% off Nike Octane's and a limping left leg (no more cast).

Fortunately I didn't have to whip out the KBB/Edmunds print outs I think I would have felt really stupid or desperate doing that. They were intrigued about my wife's accent and what she thinks of America, etc. I didn't do the cell phone thing with the wife but that would have been a little too low even for me :D

The father and daughter wanted to test drive the car alone, I wasn't sure what to say so I said ok. So Susan and I went inside, talked a little about the car, BS'd for a while, father returns said it looks ok grab the check book. I wish it were a cashier's check but I'll wait a good 10 business days (2 weeks) for the personal check to clear before sending it onto Mr. CitiBank VISA (fortunately my Mr. CitiBank MasterCard has 0% APR on balance transfers until Nov 2003).

Somehow we got to talking about computers, the father said he's looking for a new PC for his son but all the Best Buy PCs were well over $1,000 so I quoted him a loaded Dimension 4500 for around $500 shipped when the next coupon/rebate/free shipping comes around, LOL.

So yeah I'm pretty fscking excited about selling the car for WAY more than I expected. When I bought it back in September I knew a SALVAGE TITLE was the mark of death. Never ever again will I buy a salvage titled car, it just isn't worth the hassle of trying to sell.

Damn I spent $75 on a 6 week newspaper ad and it sold the first day it was listed.
 

RossMAN

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Originally posted by: vi_edit
So, what did you end up getting for it?

$3300 the price we agreed on the phone

I'm very happy, I thought I was fscked because it's a salvaged title.