where ATI 4750 cards?

[mikek753]

hi all,

why there are not 4750 cards on sale - for less then $100.
looks like all of it gone somewhere
yes, new dx11 cards are coming soon, so I expected to get 4750 for HTPC for less

4770 for $130 is too high IMHO

what do you think?

 

[happy medium]

I think the 4750 was actually the 4770 with the wrong name.

 

[toyota]

Originally posted by: mikek753
hi all,

why there are not 4750 cards on sale - for less then $100.
looks like all of it gone somewhere
yes, new dx11 cards are coming soon, so I expected to get 4750 for HTPC for less

4770 for $130 is too high IMHO

what do you think?

what are you talking about? the 4770 is still $109.99 on newegg with several to chose from. also afaik they never even made a 4750 in the first place.

 

[mikek753]

I expected 4770 to cost less than more powerful 4850, where it costs $20 (20%) more then 4850
40nm chip has to cost less then 55nm - isn't it?

or should I just wait for a month for newer 40nm mid-range cards? or when ATI may have it?

 

[toyota]

Originally posted by: mikek753
I expected 4770 to cost less than more powerful 4850, where it costs $20 (20%) more then 4850
40nm chip has to cost less then 55nm - isn't it?

or should I just wait for a month for newer 40nm mid-range cards? or when ATI may have it?

well the 4770 was released at $109.99 and at the time the 4850 did cost more. there was no point in lowering the cost on the 4770 since demand was already exceeding supply thanks to 40nm issues. instead they lowered the price of the 4850 to get people to buy those since there was basically a surplus of those compared to the 4770.

yes at this point i would just wait till Sept 23 to see what gets announced.

 

[sgrinavi]

Originally posted by: mikek753
I expected 4770 to cost less than more powerful 4850, where it costs $20 (20%) more then 4850
40nm chip has to cost less then 55nm - isn't it?

or should I just wait for a month for newer 40nm mid-range cards? or when ATI may have it?

Actually the 4770 does outperform the 4850 In some cases but the big draw is that the 4770 uses less power & produces less heat.

If you are shopping $100 cards then you'll probably have a significant wait until the 58xx cards come anywhere near that price. What are you doing with the card? Watching movies? If so you could step down the power and heat even more and go with a 4670

 

[mikek753]

Originally posted by: sgrinavi

Originally posted by: mikek753
I expected 4770 to cost less than more powerful 4850, where it costs $20 (20%) more then 4850
40nm chip has to cost less then 55nm - isn't it?

or should I just wait for a month for newer 40nm mid-range cards? or when ATI may have it?

Actually the 4770 does outperform the 4850 In some cases but the big draw is that the 4770 uses less power & produces less heat.

If you are shopping $100 cards then you'll probably have a significant wait until the 58xx cards come anywhere near that price. What are you doing with the card? Watching movies? If so you could step down the power and heat even more and go with a 4670

thanks for the answer.
I need a card for HTPC - 80% HD/BRay (x.264) watch video and 20% games.
I don't need low profile and top performance, but not much noise.
So far it doesn't look like ATI will have any 58xx mid range card below $150. point.
May be 58xx lunch will push 4770 cost down - will it not?

 

[toyota]

Originally posted by: mikek753

Originally posted by: sgrinavi

Originally posted by: mikek753
I expected 4770 to cost less than more powerful 4850, where it costs $20 (20%) more then 4850
40nm chip has to cost less then 55nm - isn't it?

or should I just wait for a month for newer 40nm mid-range cards? or when ATI may have it?

Actually the 4770 does outperform the 4850 In some cases but the big draw is that the 4770 uses less power & produces less heat.

If you are shopping $100 cards then you'll probably have a significant wait until the 58xx cards come anywhere near that price. What are you doing with the card? Watching movies? If so you could step down the power and heat even more and go with a 4670

thanks for the answer.
I need a card for HTPC - 80% HD/BRay (x.264) watch video and 20% games.
I don't need low profile and top performance, but not much noise.
So far it doesn't look like ATI will have any 58xx mid range card below $150. point.
May be 58xx lunch will push 4770 cost down - will it not?

being 40nm, 4770 will likely just go out of production before any sort of price drop. new 5xxx cards will be very pricey at launch because of 40nm production still being a little low and to help push out the other 4xxx series cards. if you dont wont to wait a couple months for initial prices to settle down then just go ahead with a 4770.

 

[yh125d]

40nm production really isn't that low anymore. 4770 first came out what, 4 1/2 months ago? New cards are always kinda high at launch but it won't be because of production issues long since ironed out

 

[betasub]

Originally posted by: toyota
being 40nm, 4770 will likely just go out of production before any sort of price drop. new 5xxx cards will be very pricey at launch because of 40nm production still being a little low and to help push out the other 4xxx series cards. if you dont wont to wait a couple months for initial prices to settle down then just go ahead with a 4770.

:thumbsup: 4770 provided a low-risk test for 40nm production, before releasing the headline 5800 cards on this process.

If there is a particular feature of the 4770 you want, you are probably best advised to buy fairly soon before stock drops further, as official price cuts are unlikely. All this assumes ATI don't carry the 4770 over to fit into the low-mid part of their 5000 series line-up (5670?).

 

[toyota]

Originally posted by: yh125d
40nm production really isn't that low anymore. 4770 first came out what, 4 1/2 months ago? New cards are always kinda high at launch but it won't be because of production issues long since ironed out

its certainly low enough that ATI knows that they could not possibly keep up with demand if they priced the cards lower though. $399 for the 5870 which is only HALF of the flagship card is pricey. they know they would sell out quickly if they released it at $299 though so they are trying to make the most of the launch which makes sense.

 

[mikek753]

Originally posted by: betasub

Originally posted by: toyota
being 40nm, 4770 will likely just go out of production before any sort of price drop. new 5xxx cards will be very pricey at launch because of 40nm production still being a little low and to help push out the other 4xxx series cards. if you dont wont to wait a couple months for initial prices to settle down then just go ahead with a 4770.

:thumbsup: 4770 provided a low-risk test for 40nm production, before releasing the headline 5800 cards on this process.

If there is a particular feature of the 4770 you want, you are probably best advised to buy fairly soon before stock drops further, as official price cuts are unlikely. All this assumes ATI don't carry the 4770 over to fit into the low-mid part of their 5000 series line-up (5670?).

another day -another news
5700

 

[sgrinavi]

Originally posted by: mikek753

Originally posted by: betasub

Originally posted by: toyota
being 40nm, 4770 will likely just go out of production before any sort of price drop. new 5xxx cards will be very pricey at launch because of 40nm production still being a little low and to help push out the other 4xxx series cards. if you dont wont to wait a couple months for initial prices to settle down then just go ahead with a 4770.

:thumbsup: 4770 provided a low-risk test for 40nm production, before releasing the headline 5800 cards on this process.

If there is a particular feature of the 4770 you want, you are probably best advised to buy fairly soon before stock drops further, as official price cuts are unlikely. All this assumes ATI don't carry the 4770 over to fit into the low-mid part of their 5000 series line-up (5670?).

another day -another news
5700

If you can wait you might be rewarded with a cool new card. If you just want to play a few games at 720p and watch movies then the 4670 would fit your needs now. AND it's cheap and fanless

 

[Nemesis 1]

I see many haven't liked the ATI slide show.

Maybe we ALL can read these graphs .

http://www.xtremesystems.org/f...d.php?t=233621&page=37

http://www.hwupgrade.it/forum/...881172&postcount=10248

 

[Nemesis 1]

Seems to be problems getting correct link . I have notified MS of the hack .

Go to the first link half way down the page is link I was trying to post . Try it its amusing. Its illegeal also.

The gathers link / Play with it LOL

 

[Nemesis 1]

http://gathering.tweakers.net/...st_messages/1368223/10

 

[Nemesis 1]

All three of above links came from last link LOL. Someone is in deep shit.

 

[mikek753]

thanks everyone.
I got 4650 for now.
Is MPC-HC is only way to play mkv via DXVA by blocking all decoders?