Where are U.S. voters going?

[yllus]

U.S. Democrats divided on Iraq policy

Although Bush's approval ratings have fallen, the Democrats have gained no ground at his expense. In a Washington Post-ABC News poll in June, just 42 percent of citizens approved of congressional Democrats, a figure even lower than Bush's.

Was reading through a bunch of articles about Iraq and ran into this stat. Now admittedly, I put extremely little faith in polls (especially in non-election years), and this is an old poll, but this is just strange. How can you not approve of the Republicans, not approve of the Democrats, and still be a voter?

 

[Siva]

Who said I'm a voter?

 

[DaveSimmons]

How can you not approve of the Republicans, not approve of the Democrats, and still be a voter?

Easily. Moderates and independents don't buy into the brainwashing of the Repubs or Dems.

Right now the dems seem to be drifting without strong leadership, and suggesting idiotic "solutions" such as going extremist left to recapture votes. Tax and spend socialism isn't any more attractive now than it was when people voted in the Repubs.

A lot of people dislike the poor planning in Iraq, the fiscal irresponsibility, and the religous extremism of Team Bush: World Police, but the dems have yet to offer even a hint that they'll do any better.

 

[5LiterMustang]

Originally posted by: yllus
U.S. Democrats divided on Iraq policy

Although Bush's approval ratings have fallen, the Democrats have gained no ground at his expense. In a Washington Post-ABC News poll in June, just 42 percent of citizens approved of congressional Democrats, a figure even lower than Bush's.

Was reading through a bunch of articles about Iraq and ran into this stat. Now admittedly, I put extremely little faith in polls (especially in non-election years), and this is an old poll, but this is just strange. How can you not approve of the Republicans, not approve of the Democrats, and still be a voter?

Because you're like me, and for the most part the dems support a socialist leftwing agenda, the right has a bunch or religious factions involved with it, so its like picking lesser of two evils. I voted for bush and if it were bush/kerry all over again I'd vote bush again. Am I happy with bush? not hardly, the guy is spending the country into the ground...not fighting a war like it should be faught and not giving the military necessary resources.

 

[imported_yetti]

Originally posted by: yllus
How can you not approve of the Republicans, not approve of the Democrats, and still be a voter?

it's called having a brain.

 

[bamacre]

People are sick and tired of both parties and their agendas.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: yetti

Originally posted by: yllus
How can you not approve of the Republicans, not approve of the Democrats, and still be a voter?

it's called having a brain.

Damn straight.

 

[DaveSimmons]

If McCain ran as an independent in '08 I'd probably vote for him, even though Rove would fly in people from viet nam to claim he shot babies and ate human flesh.

 

[Bumrush99]

Originally posted by: yllus

How can you not approve of the Republicans, not approve of the Democrats, and still be a voter?

Link

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: bamacre
People are sick and tired of both parties and their agendas.

:thumbsup:


Here's the real truth though. Independents, moderates, and 3rd party members decide the political course of America. This is because, out of all voters, neither Pubs nor the Dems have a solid majority. The simplest breakdown of this is that the Dems have 40% who would vote straight ticket even if Hitler were on the ticket, the Pubs have 40% who would vote straight ticket even if Stalin were on the ticket, and the remaining 20% are the uncommitted swing voters who decide which major party wins.
At this time, the Dems are so focused on the unpopular agendas of the extreme radical left that the Pubs can afford to be just slightly less extreme and still pick up a small majority. If the Dems came back closer to the center (as they did with Clinton), they would start winning again.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Rove would fly in people from Viet Nam to claim he shot babies & ate human flesh.

What's wrong with that ?

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
If McCain ran as an independent in '08 I'd probably vote for him, even though Rove would fly in people from viet nam to claim he shot babies and ate human flesh.

Wait...are you saying cannibalism is frowned upon in American politics? How different things are down there.

I should probably quickly note that my question was purposely silly. I could've written the post to laugh at Democrats, or prop up the Republicans...but I I rather see where the divergence in ideas is from either of the two parties.

The main issue I see you guys having when it comes to fiscal responsibility is you'll never convince the average voter that a slightly increased cost of living or heavier user fees are really necessary. She or he would rather live for a little cheaper for today and let the nation collapse tomorrow. Waking the voters up to this little issue of comprehension is going to take a bipartisan effort, or a really strong economic rebound.

Originally posted by: Vic
At this time, the Dems are so focused on the unpopular agendas of the extreme radical left that the Pubs can afford to be just slightly less extreme and still pick up a small majority. If the Dems came back closer to the center (as they did with Clinton), they would start winning again.

Clinton knew that the middling path was the path to success when it came to domestic policy, but he knew how to seize upon a solution when he saw it whether it was palatable to the more left-leaning members of his party or not. Example: His welfare reform policy.

The welfare "reform" of the Clinton era consists of two major elements: a revolutionary change in the basic goals set by the federal government; and a dramatic "devolution" of responsibility ? turning what used to be a federal, centralized system over to the states.

Reflecting the new federal mission, welfare rules now:

* Require most recipients to work within two years of receiving assistance,
* Limit most assistance to five years total, and
* Let states establish "family caps" to deny additional benefits to mothers for children born while the mothers are already on public assistance.

Left-wing critics called it throwing a bone to the GOP-dominated Congress of the day, but I don't think so. He was a smart enough leader to know when to walk away from the party line and institute useful reform. It'll take a leader like that to steady the ground under the Democrats again.

 

[Czar]

shows that bush is splitting the republicans in two

small chance of a new party even if the trend continues

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: yllus
U.S. Democrats divided on Iraq policy

Although Bush's approval ratings have fallen, the Democrats have gained no ground at his expense. In a Washington Post-ABC News poll in June, just 42 percent of citizens approved of congressional Democrats, a figure even lower than Bush's.

Was reading through a bunch of articles about Iraq and ran into this stat. Now admittedly, I put extremely little faith in polls (especially in non-election years), and this is an old poll, but this is just strange. How can you not approve of the Republicans, not approve of the Democrats, and still be a voter?

That has too hurt, and I mean really bad!

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: yllus
Topic Title: Where are U.S. voters going?

Church, duh

 

[ExpertNovice]

Well, a study by the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies says that around 30% of Blacks now call themselves Independents.

In 2004 just over 30% more Blacks voted for Bush than voted for him in 2000.

Perhaps "Independent" means "Independent or Conservative" but they are not ready to be condemned by the liberals as has happened to every Black Conservative. I think they are tired of the racism and I'm not sure how Dr. Rice, among others, handle the slurs by the racists so politely.

In 1996 21% of Hispanics voted Republican. 2000 it was 34%. 2004 it was 39%.

Again, it appears that many, if not most, have found that conservatives want equality and while the liberals promise superiority they only use people.

Hopefully the mainstream media and liberal demonization of conservatives will continue to backfire.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: ExpertNovice
Well, a study by the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies says that around 30% of Blacks now call themselves Independents.

In 2004 just over 30% more Blacks voted for Bush than voted for him in 2000.

Perhaps "Independent" means "Independent or Conservative" but they are not ready to be condemned by the liberals as has happened to every Black Conservative. I think they are tired of the racism and I'm not sure how Dr. Rice, among others, handle the slurs by the racists so politely.

In 1996 21% of Hispanics voted Republican. 2000 it was 34%. 2004 it was 39%.

Again, it appears that many, if not most, have found that conservatives want equality and while the liberals promise superiority they only use people.

Hopefully the mainstream media and liberal demonization of conservatives will continue to backfire.

That has what exactly to do with this thread? It seems more apparent that racial pandering aside, people aren't really happy with EITHER major party. Which is good, fanboys aside, both parties are really two sides of the same coin. The fact that people vote one or the other because they AREN'T the other party tells me a third party with their act together could maybe make some inroads. Of course there don't seem to be any of those...but still.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: yllus
U.S. Democrats divided on Iraq policy

Although Bush's approval ratings have fallen, the Democrats have gained no ground at his expense. In a Washington Post-ABC News poll in June, just 42 percent of citizens approved of congressional Democrats, a figure even lower than Bush's.

Was reading through a bunch of articles about Iraq and ran into this stat. Now admittedly, I put extremely little faith in polls (especially in non-election years), and this is an old poll, but this is just strange. How can you not approve of the Republicans, not approve of the Democrats, and still be a voter?

That has too hurt, and I mean really bad!

I would imagine...although probably just as bad as it hurts the Republicans not to be able to use the phrase "the majority of Americans" anymore

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: ExpertNovice
Well, a study by the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies says that around 30% of Blacks now call themselves Independents.

In 2004 just over 30% more Blacks voted for Bush than voted for him in 2000.

Perhaps "Independent" means "Independent or Conservative" but they are not ready to be condemned by the liberals as has happened to every Black Conservative. I think they are tired of the racism and I'm not sure how Dr. Rice, among others, handle the slurs by the racists so politely.

In 1996 21% of Hispanics voted Republican. 2000 it was 34%. 2004 it was 39%.

Again, it appears that many, if not most, have found that conservatives want equality and while the liberals promise superiority they only use people.

Hopefully the mainstream media and liberal demonization of conservatives will continue to backfire.

Well, I'm sure that a significant part of that Hispanic statistic is there because they tend to reside in the South, and the South is generally populated by a Republicanesque mindset.

But I do grasp what you're talking about. When a minority has conservative stances, they've sold out. As if there's a racial political mode of thought that we all have ingrained? To paraphrase many leftist posters on these forums, Dr. Rice is a "token minority". Certainly a black woman, having a doctorate and once been a political professor and Provost of Stanford, could not have possibly gotten the position she now holds through merit. Thank you, equality-minded Democrats. :roll: (Edit: Not all of them, of course.)

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: ExpertNovice
Well, a study by the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies says that around 30% of Blacks now call themselves Independents.

In 2004 just over 30% more Blacks voted for Bush than voted for him in 2000.

Perhaps "Independent" means "Independent or Conservative" but they are not ready to be condemned by the liberals as has happened to every Black Conservative. I think they are tired of the racism and I'm not sure how Dr. Rice, among others, handle the slurs by the racists so politely.

In 1996 21% of Hispanics voted Republican. 2000 it was 34%. 2004 it was 39%.

Again, it appears that many, if not most, have found that conservatives want equality and while the liberals promise superiority they only use people.

Hopefully the mainstream media and liberal demonization of conservatives will continue to backfire.

Well, I'm sure that a significant part of that Hispanic statistic is there because they tend to reside in the South, and the South is generally populated by a Republicanesque mindset.

But I do grasp what you're talking about. When a minority has conservative stances, they've sold out. As if there's a racial political mode of thought that we all have ingrained? To paraphrase many leftist posters on these forums, Dr. Rice is a "token minority". Certainly a black woman, having a doctorate and once been a political professor and Provost of Stanford, could not have possibly gotten the position she now holds through merit. Thank you, equality-minded Democrats. :roll:

I agree that I don't really like that kind of talk from the Dems. However, I find it in equally bad taste how the Republicans keep pointing to her (and Gonzales and Powell when he was there) and saying how this shows how diverse they are. It seems on par with calling someone "my black friend" to show how accepting you are. It sounds like nothing so much as pandering, essentially the same thing some people on the left are doing, just from a different angle.

If they really were open-minded and in favor of equality, they would hire whoever and shut up about it. Whatever her qualifications, the Republicans are making her look like a token minority just as much as the Democrats are.

Edit: And speaking of equality and diversity, I'd find the Republicans more impressive in that area is their diversity extended to different ideas as well. Skin color and sex are not the only ways we're different.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Well, a study by the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies says that around 30% of Blacks now call themselves Independents. ...

As minorities make economic gains, they too start to question the handouts-based
programs of the Democrats, and become fiscally conservative.

This helped Republicans in 2004, but as they've gained power they've shown themselves to be almost as corrupt and irresponsible fiscally as the Democrats. So these fiscally conservative minorities now have seen they can't trust either party.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

Well, a study by the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies says that around 30% of Blacks now call themselves Independents. ...

As minorities make economic gains, they too start to question the handouts-based
programs of the Democrats, and become fiscally conservative.

This helped Republicans in 2004, but as they've gained power they've shown themselves to be almost as corrupt and irresponsible fiscally as the Democrats. So these fiscally conservative minorities now have seen they can't trust either party.

I'm beginning to think fiscal conservatives are a minority though. Everyone seems to want the government to do something for them, nobody seems willing to give up very much.

 

[glugglug]

42% is less than 36%? Must be the new math the GOP is infesting our schools with.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

Well, a study by the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies says that around 30% of Blacks now call themselves Independents. ...

As minorities make economic gains, they too start to question the handouts-based
programs of the Democrats, and become fiscally conservative.

This helped Republicans in 2004, but as they've gained power they've shown themselves to be almost as corrupt and irresponsible fiscally as the Democrats. So these fiscally conservative minorities now have seen they can't trust either party.

I'm beginning to think fiscal conservatives are a minority though. Everyone seems to want the government to do something for them, nobody seems willing to give up very much.

Yep.

 

[5LiterMustang]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

Well, a study by the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies says that around 30% of Blacks now call themselves Independents. ...

As minorities make economic gains, they too start to question the handouts-based
programs of the Democrats, and become fiscally conservative.

This helped Republicans in 2004, but as they've gained power they've shown themselves to be almost as corrupt and irresponsible fiscally as the Democrats. So these fiscally conservative minorities now have seen they can't trust either party.

Great post...republicans (a party I am a member of) have stabbed us fiscal conservatives in the back.