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Where are the bigger Monitors?

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GreatDaleness

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I've been into the gig for long enough to remember when 14" monitors were the standard and 15" was luxury. Then 15" was common and 17" was luxury. THen 19", and now those are standard and 21/22" are barely luxury. With the 20" viewables coming down to below $400, where the hell are the 24" and 27" viewables? I know there are lots of teenagers/college students/military barracks residents etc who don't have the room for a TV AND computer. I am one of these, an I would be happy to pay $1200 for a 27" viewable with 2400X1800 resolution, especially when a 27" 1080i digital TV cost $800. a 20" viewable is BARELY large enough to watch dvds if you have a small room, where 27" viewable would be perfect.
 
Demand is way to low to support these except for a few graphics professionals paying a lot more than $1200.

Demand for offices and home offices are for 19" CRT and 17-19" LCDs. Beyond 19" a CRT is just too big for most office desks.

What you'll get eventually are HDTV displays (CRT, LCD, Plasma) that also happen to support computer inputs at 1024x768 like many of the 42" plasma do now.
 
Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Demand is way to low to support these except for a few graphics professionals paying a lot more than $1200.

Demand for offices and home offices are for 19" CRT and 17-19" LCDs. Beyond 19" a CRT is just too big for most office desks.

What you'll get eventually are HDTV displays (CRT, LCD, Plasma) that also happen to support computer inputs at 1024x768 like many of the 42" plasma do now.
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42" (847 surface area) screen that does lower resolution than an 18" (156 surface area) screen that is 1/5th the size? Forget that, might as well have an X-box.

And my point is that there are literally MILLIONS of people who don't have the room for a TV AND computer monitor that WOULD spend $1200 (or 50% more) for a 27" computer monitor vs a 1080i digital TV. Even if the monitor "only" did 1600X1200 @ 85 hz
 
Originally posted by: GreatDaleness
And my point is that there are literally MILLIONS of people who don't have the room for a TV AND computer monitor that WOULD spend $1200 (or 50% more) for a 27" computer monitor vs a 1080i digital TV. Even if the monitor "only" did 1600X1200 @ 85 hz
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I think that is the flaw in your logic. Change the "millions" to "a few thousand" and you'll be much more correct.

 
Originally posted by: dullard
Originally posted by: GreatDaleness
And my point is that there are literally MILLIONS of people who don't have the room for a TV AND computer monitor that WOULD spend $1200 (or 50% more) for a 27" computer monitor vs a 1080i digital TV. Even if the monitor "only" did 1600X1200 @ 85 hz
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I think that is the flaw in your logic. Change the "millions" to "a few thousand" and you'll be much more correct.
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That may be, but the way I see it is there are over a million people in college dorms, over a million in military barracks, and over a million in small apartments with roommates. Even with a $1200 monitor, you can still put together a top of the line computer for $3000, which is the 'classical' price for a computer.
 
Originally posted by: GreatDaleness
That may be, but the way I see it is there are over a million people in college dorms, over a million in military barracks, and over a million in small apartments with roommates. Even with a $1200 monitor, you can still put together a top of the line computer for $3000, which is the 'classical' price for a computer.
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Yes there are millions of people as you describe. But:
(a) very few people in college can afford a $1200 TV/monitor,
(b) very few people in college think a 21" screen in a small dorm room is far too small,
(c) very few people in college think getting rid of one TV/monitor would make their rooms significantly more spacious.
(d) many people have roommates that will want to watch TV while you use your computer for homework/games/internet - making just one monitor/TV very inconvenient.
Now out of those millions of people, how many fit all of the above? Very few. And for those very few there are monitors that are much larger than 21".
 
Originally posted by: dullard
Originally posted by: GreatDaleness
That may be, but the way I see it is there are over a million people in college dorms, over a million in military barracks, and over a million in small apartments with roommates. Even with a $1200 monitor, you can still put together a top of the line computer for $3000, which is the 'classical' price for a computer.
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Yes there are millions of people as you describe. But:
(a) very few people in college can afford a $1200 TV/monitor,
(b) very few people in college think a 21" screen in a small dorm room is far too small,
(c) very few people in college think getting rid of one TV/monitor would make their rooms significantly more spacious.
Now out of those millions of people, how many fit all of the above? Very few. And for those very few there are monitors that are much larger than 21".
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a) NOT true
b) NOT true, if you have ever been to a dorm, you would notice that most rooms have a 27" or 32" TV and Ps2/Xbox
c)there isn't any room in a dorm for a TV AND monitor, so most people choose for a TV and Laptop, which cost more than what i am talking about anyway.
 
If you don't have room for a TV and monitor, you wouldn't have room for a 27" TV/monitor combo. Since the room would be small, you probably wouldn't be watching/doing stuff from far away.
 
Originally posted by: GreatDaleness
a) NOT true
b) NOT true, if you have ever been to a dorm, you would notice that most rooms have a 27" or 32" TV and Ps2/Xbox
c)there isn't any room in a dorm for a TV AND monitor, so most people choose for a TV and Laptop, which cost more than what i am talking about anyway.
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(A) Definately true - you just have rich friends. I created a poll and it looks like 21% could afford one. Of course the number of people who would be willing to buy one is probably less than the number that could afford one.
(B) I lived in dorms for 4 years, and I only knew of one room with a 27" or larger TV (that was purchased in the last decade) - you just have rich friends.
(C) Since most have a small TV and a small monitor there is room.
(D) You missed my edit for this part.
 
Originally posted by: GreatDaleness
a) NOT true
b) NOT true, if you have ever been to a dorm, you would notice that most rooms have a 27" or 32" TV and Ps2/Xbox
c)there isn't any room in a dorm for a TV AND monitor, so most people choose for a TV and Laptop, which cost more than what i am talking about anyway.
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Originally posted by: GreatDaleness
I've been into the gig for long enough to remember when 14" monitors were the standard and 15" was luxury. Then 15" was common and 17" was luxury. THen 19", and now those are standard and 21/22" are barely luxury. With the 20" viewables coming down to below $400, where the hell are the 24" and 27" viewables? I know there are lots of teenagers/college students/military barracks residents etc who don't have the room for a TV AND computer. I am one of these, an I would be happy to pay $1200 for a 27" viewable with 2400X1800 resolution, especially when a 27" 1080i digital TV cost $800. a 20" viewable is BARELY large enough to watch dvds if you have a small room, where 27" viewable would be perfect.
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There's the problem, as Dave said - demand. I don't have $1200 to spend on just the computer part of it. The most expensive single component of my PC right now is the videocard - ATI-built 9700 Pro that I paid $245 for.
It's like with TV's - there is some demand for those huge 65" projection screen displays, but not nearly as much as for a $188 27" TV, or a smaller, cheaper 19" TV. With PC's, the industry is in a downturn. PC's can be bought for $500 or less for a whole system. $1200 for a monitor would be reserved for the few people who a) will spend big bucks on a piece of hardware that will outlast the rest of their system, and/or b) are willing to spend a few thousand dollars on a PC, not a few hundred.
 
Since the Sony 24" is ~$2000, I'm very sure you would "like" to spend $1200, its just not realistic. A step up to 27" would be easily $5000+, I'm just not sensing much of a market there.
 
Originally posted by: dullard
Originally posted by: GreatDaleness
Now out of those millions of people, how many fit all of the above? Very few. And for those very few there are monitors that are much larger than 21".
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Where? And I don't mean the "24" inch Sony that is just wider, not bigger, nor those low resolution monitors Gateway 2000 used to sell. AFAIK true 4:3 monitor that can do at least 1600X1200 at 85 hz doesn't exist unless you spend thousands of dollars, not hundreds.
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Originally posted by: rbV5
Since the Sony 24" is ~$2000, I'm very sure you would "like" to spend $1200, its just not realistic. A step up to 27" would be easily $5000+, I'm just not sensing much of a market there.
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That monitor isn't a typical monitor, it is their top of the line best monitor. Plus that monitor is just wider, not bigger. I am talking about a Viewsonic level monitor, not Eizo quality. A $400 Dell 20" viewable is nice, but I want a bigger monitor and I am not the only one. I hear this all the time, from both the military and the dorms.
 
Originally posted by: GreatDaleness
Where? And I don't mean the "24" inch Sony that is just wider, not bigger, nor those low resolution monitors Gateway 2000 used to sell. AFAIK true 4:3 monitor that can do at least 1600X1200 at 85 hz doesn't exist unless you spend thousands of dollars, not hundreds.
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But that is the problem. You for some reason think you can get one for $1200, but you cannot. You need to pay for them. HP makes one, so does Sony. I'm sure a few other companies do as well (doens't Apple have a large LCD?). $1200 ain't gonna buy you what you want.
 
Originally posted by: GreatDaleness
Originally posted by: dullard
Originally posted by: GreatDaleness
That may be, but the way I see it is there are over a million people in college dorms, over a million in military barracks, and over a million in small apartments with roommates. Even with a $1200 monitor, you can still put together a top of the line computer for $3000, which is the 'classical' price for a computer.
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Yes there are millions of people as you describe. But:
(a) very few people in college can afford a $1200 TV/monitor,
(b) very few people in college think a 21" screen in a small dorm room is far too small,
(c) very few people in college think getting rid of one TV/monitor would make their rooms significantly more spacious.
Now out of those millions of people, how many fit all of the above? Very few. And for those very few there are monitors that are much larger than 21".
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a) NOT true
b) NOT true, if you have ever been to a dorm, you would notice that most rooms have a 27" or 32" TV and Ps2/Xbox
c)there isn't any room in a dorm for a TV AND monitor, so most people choose for a TV and Laptop, which cost more than what i am talking about anyway.
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What the hell are you smoking? A is definitely true. B is definitely true as well. C could be questionable but perhaps you should really be rethinking your numbers.
 
so I am to believe that in this world of $700 cpus, $600 speaker systems, and $600 VPUs that no one wants to play Half Life 2 , Doom III, or UT2004 on a 22" viewable monitor instead of a 20" viewable? How much would a $400 level 20" Dell/Viewsonic cost at 22"? Surely not more than $700! Like I said in my original post, we went up from 14" to 22" and then stopped. WHy?
 
A is true. I don't know which colleges you've been hanging out at lately, but students are generally poor. Few students that live in dorm rooms (as opposed to plush off-campus apartments) would be able to just pull out $1200 to spend on *anything*, let alone a monitor that won't even fit on your desk. Perhaps you are suggesting that a 24"+ hi-res LCD screen could be had for $1200? I *would* buy that, but good luck.

I used a 19" short-depth Viewsonic monitor (about 17-18" deep) at school, and it barely fit on my desk with room for the keyboard and mouse in front of it (though my room was on the smaller side). A full-size 21" would have taken up about half the surface area on my desk. It just gets worse as they get bigger. The market there is for cheaper 17" and 19" LCD screens, which save you space while providing a plenty large picture. And if you're going to drop a pretty penny on a computing purchase, it'll probably be a laptop, which can be carried around to work in a library, take notes in class, etc.

Another problem is that a 24"CRT would weigh well over 100 pounds (SUN Microsystems used to sell a widescreen 24" CRT that weighed just under 100, and it was extraordinarily expensive). I don't want to think about lifting a 27" one.
 
Get a projector baby! Your big screen manliness will bring all the chicks over to your room for movie night! (I'm serious, it will. I wish I had one back in college.)
 
> so I am to believe that in this world of $700 cpus, $600 speaker systems, and $600 VPUs that no one wants to play Half Life 2 , Doom III, or UT2004 on a 22" viewable monitor instead of a 20" viewable?

Most of the people wanting big-screen gaming would go with a 42" plasma display or hires projection TV -- if you want big-screen gaming why would you settle for a little 27" screen?

None of us are saying there is no demand for your 27" CRT, just that the demand is too small to interest manufacturers, and that the initial price would probably be much higher than $1200.
 
I would also love to have a 40" (diagonal) screen in front of me right now. Right now, my IE window is maximized on my 21" monitor. It would be great to have four windows of this size arrayed in front of me!

I'll also point out that many users are still investing in dual monitor set-ups, which suggests to me that there should be a market for a 27" monitor at a reasonable price.
 
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