What on earth does my statement have to do with me going to iran? Are you one of those people who, if you don't like what someone is saying, you put your fingers in your ears or tell the other person to leave the country? Face it, Bush is far more unpopular in NYC and around the world then the President of Iran. Bush also has far more blood on his hands, no matter how "justified" the Iraq war is to you. I welcome the President of Iran to my university tomorrow and look forward to asking him questions.
Don't like it? Pound sand.
Vic
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Since when is this discussion about Bush? :roll:
It's not that I find it hard to believe that people can be this stupid, it's that they can be so proud about being this stupid.
The Right is just playing you for a fool and laughing their asses off too no doubt. Look, they made leftist atheists fervently back the leader of a religious state...
Quick! Bring up Bush again...
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This is great stuff. There's nothing like the smell of a pissed off PC-hating Republican getting it turned back on himself. I don't even care what Ahmad says, but if it pisses off some of the whiney-baby republicans that are coming out of the wood work lately, it's all for the better. It's nice to see them calling for bans and then the ocassional declaration of somebody being a traitor and all that. Such hypocrisy. Such fun to watch!
BTW, I won't watch his speech and doubt I'll read any of it not included in a headline somewhere because I don't give a sh*t. It's inconsequential. I can already assume its content, so who cares? It will not be revelatory in the least. Why are people so upset? Let him talk to some students and forget it.
BTW, I won't watch his speech and doubt I'll read any of it not included in a headline somewhere because I don't give a sh*t. It's inconsequential. I can already assume its content, so who cares? It will not be revelatory in the least. Why are people so upset? Let him talk to some students and forget it.
:laugh: You're a joke if you think the right made me who I am. I've always enjoyed hearing the opinion of others outside of America. It gives me a complete impression of how the world thinks. This President of Iran, who has a Ph.D in Chemical Engineering, is far far smarter than that clown in the white house. The paranoia from the right of hearing somebody that disagrees with them has caught you in its wraps. BTW, Iran may be an islamic state. But it is that way because that was the will of the people. Don't like it? Tell the Iranians to change it. And, before you attack the problems of other nations, you need to look at your own. Do you honestly call a two-party system a real democracy? A democracy where the parties trade time in power? Our democracy is nowhere near the fluidity of a true parliamentarian democracy.
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Hmm... I guess I need to read the other threads on this topic to get this perspective on it.
To me, this is personal not political. One of my best friends is an Iranian immigrant who had to leave his country as an adult because he chose not to practice Islam.
So all this Bush v. Ahmadinejad is IMO just straw man bullsh!t for the partisans. They're both just puppets anyway...
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So what you're saying is that you'd be happy if America became a Christian state if that was "the will of the people?" Up to and including imprisoning people for apostasy?
Please shut up. You're only making yourself look worse. I'll say it again, "One would think that people who claim to be intelligent could recognize a simple false dilemma when presented with one."
edit: BTW, I didn't say the right made you who you are. That would be silly, I would never give them that much credit. What I said is that they enjoy how easy it is to play your silly ideologue kind for fools. It makes me wish you'd switch parties so that the Dems could actually get something done.
Oh shut up. I never said I was happy about the state of iran today. I said that was the will of the people. If you read my statement you'd see that I had no opinion on the matter. Your problem is that you try to read too much into things. It's people like you that think I'm a Democrat when I'm not. Neither am I a republican. IMHO, both groups are different sides of the same coin. And I am not ideological by any means. I am pragmatic and that's it. If you ever read any of my other posts here, you'd see that. So get off your high horse because you haven't categorized me in any manner. As for tomorrow, I will listen to the President of Iran. His intellectual capacity is far deeper and more rewarding than the jackass we call President Bush. If you don't like the theocracy in Iran, do something about it rather than complaining to people who want to hear the Iranian President speak.
And before you put your nose in other countries' business, make sure your smart @ss fixes the problems in your own backyard.
Ya mean, aahh, like, the 18 amandment, free speech zones, wannabe flag deification, etc, etc,. That is a fine line there, isn't it? Pot calling the kettle black?
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When did I say that we should put our nose into other countries' business? In fact, I'm an outspoken non-interventionist as well as a believer in freedom of beliefs.
Nor does this discussion have anything to do with Bush, although that does make for a nice straw man for your ignorance, doesn't it?
Nice to see you don't have any arguments besides being a jackass though. Answer the question, you'd be happy if America became a Christian state if that was "the will of the people?" Up to and including imprisoning people for apostasy?
edit: BTW, I missed a comment of yours where you expressed confusion about going to Iran and then you ASSumed that I was making some stupid "America love it or leave it!" comment. That was not it at all. You made comments about protesting at your university and (in context to my earlier comments regarding the lack of basic rights in Iran) I was clearly inviting you to try protesting the Iranian government and its leadership in Iran. Here's a tip: their "free speech zones" are inside their prisons. They're the cells right next to the ones for atheists. Enjoy.
Now quick! Bring up Bush again!
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Oh yeah, 'cause I said I was in favor of those things... oh wait, I didn't... and I'm not. But at least we don't jail people for their religious beliefs or lack thereof in this country. Or should I jump to ASSinine ASSumptions like you just did and say something like you're probably in favor of that?
:roll:
As for the CBS interview... I watched the full version from C-SPAN and it is obvious that Mike Wallace needs to be put out to pasture with Dan Rather. He was condecending at times and disrespectful in general -not only with words but gestures.
If the majority of Americans chose to become a christian theocracy, that would be their choice. I would, obviously, leave. You make it sound as if I'm happy with EVERYTHING that happens in this country. I'm not. But, like you, I have limits.
As for protesting in Iran, I have no intention to. Until I do and I get a refusal will I believe your stories on that nation. Until then, you're just blowing hot air and insulting another nation when yours isn't exactly in the best of shape. Remember, a hundred-fifty years ago this great democracy had slaves. Fifty years ago not all its citizens had the same right. Of course the laws have been fixed with the intention to set things right but it doesn't mean they have. So get of your high horse and step into reality. Stop criticizing other nations unless yours has no blemish.
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I'm not criticizing another nation, I'm criticizing its leadership. I'm a big fan of the Iranian people and culture. In fact, I will be visiting there early next year.
You got a serious problem with straw man. It seems you can't argue without making up your opponent's argument for them. I never said that America is perfect, nor does my argument require that it be so. Just like with your repeated Bush references, your straw men are entirely irrelevant. You're just swinging at air.
BTW, I hope that Ahmadinejad speaks until he's blue in the face. The very fact that he can do so is what proves me right.
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He is speaking now on Cspan.
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I forgot to check the news channels after turning over. Seems it's on Fox/Cnn as well. They waited a little longer to cover it.
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Cspan stopped covering it. Fox/CNN still cover it, CNN seems to be talking over him with guests.
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I forgot to check the news channels after turning over. Seems it's on Fox/Cnn as well. They waited a little longer to cover it.
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Cspan stopped covering it. Fox/CNN still cover it, CNN seems to be talking over him with guests.
I think the bigger question is will it be uncensored in America. It seems that a lot of Americans don't want to listen to him, thus they don't think he should have the opportunity to speak. What a good way to show how open minded and Free we are to the rest of the world.
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