When was the last time.....

[JEDIYoda]

Anyways im going to make a joint

you mean roll a joint? Only God can make a joint....lolool

 

[WelshBloke]

I am sorry you don`t make the rules......
Your the one who brought it up first so it really does go this way -- you prove there is no life after death and since you cannot prove that there is no0 life after death...you attempt to throw the ball back in my court by saying No!1 You prove there is life after death.....
Since neither one of us can prove the other person wrong -- it keeps going around and around...lolol
But that is OK!! Jesus still loves you!! Regardless if it is a Mexican guy or not.....

That doesn't make any sense.

If the position is that there is no god what would there be to prove? Pretty much exactly what reality shows, that there is absolutely no physical shred of evidence or effect that can solely be put down to its existence. As things stand that's the situation.

If the position is that there is a god then it should be easy to show that there is some physical shred of his existence that impinges on reality.

If the argument is that there is a god but he has no physical effect on our universe then that's the same as there being no god. If something has no interaction with our universe then it doesn't exist from our position.

 

[Zanovar]

you mean roll a joint? Only God can make a joint....lolool

My ribs.Clown

 

[Zanovar]

That doesn't make any sense.

If the position is that there is no god what would there be to prove? Pretty much exactly what reality shows, that there is absolutely no physical shred of evidence or effect that can solely be put down to its existence. As things stand that's the situation.

If the position is that there is a god then it should be easy to show that there is some physical shred of his existence that impinges on reality.

If the argument is that there is a god but he has no physical effect on our universe then that's the same as there being no god. If something has no interaction with our universe then it doesn't exist from our position.

I said something pretty similar to this to a jehova once.Creepy.She was almost preprogrammed.(it was her way or the highway)lolo.No reason or differing viewpoint or rationale.Im cool with it,if it fills a void in their lives.Healthier than drink/drugs i guess.I know witch one would be more fun though

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

That doesn't make any sense.

If the position is that there is no god what would there be to prove? Pretty much exactly what reality shows, that there is absolutely no physical shred of evidence or effect that can solely be put down to its existence. As things stand that's the situation.

If the position is that there is a god then it should be easy to show that there is some physical shred of his existence that impinges on reality.

If the argument is that there is a god but he has no physical effect on our universe then that's the same as there being no god. If something has no interaction with our universe then it doesn't exist from our position.

Except God interacts with billions of people every day. Your disagreement is with the root cause of that interacting. Is it caused by their belief or, by God?

 

[Pohemi]

I miss the eye-roll emote...nm, found it!

 

[nakedfrog]

I like it better when Mayne tells us he loves us. OP, can't you just tell us you love us?

 

[WelshBloke]

Except God interacts with billions of people every day.

Thsts not god, that's peoples idea that its god. There is no difference than if I daydream about Winnie the Poo and it makes me feel happy.

 

[zinfamous]

My ribs.Clown

I hope you prayed to Jesus for your bounty before you fired that sucker up.

 

[Zanovar]

I hope you prayed to Jesus for your bounty before you fired that sucker up.

haha

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Thsts not god, that's peoples idea that its god. There is no difference than if I daydream about Winnie the Poo and it makes me feel happy.

Poo doesn't affect tradition, culture and, society God does.

 

[WelshBloke]

Poo doesn't affect tradition, culture and, society God does.

Again. Thats not god, thats people that change those things. If it was actually god doing it we would see some trace of his presence.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Again. Thats not god, thats people that change those things. If it was actually god doing it we would see some trace of his presence.

There are any number of people who believe they have felt God's presence and influence.

 

[WelshBloke]

There are any number of people who believe they have felt God's presence and influence.

And absolutely none of them have been able to show that it was anything more than an errant thought, dream, or idea brought on by too much cheese. None of them have shown any effect from an outside source, no measurable effect at all.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

And absolutely none of them have been able to show that it was anything more than an errant thought, dream, or idea brought on by too much cheese. None of them have shown any effect from an outside source, no measurable effect at all.

I know there is no proof I have to offer that will convince you. What I'm trying to do is show you that people's faith has real and tangible effects on the world.

 

[WelshBloke]

I know there is no proof I have to offer that will convince you. What I'm trying to do is show you that people's faith has real and tangible effects on the world.

I'm not arguing that it doesn't, I'm saying that the actions of people that believe in god don't prove that god exists.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

I believe God has given me mental, spiritual and, emotional strength I do not possess on my own. Faith remains a leap. I believe the rewards of faith are worth the leap.

 

[sandorski]

I believe God has given me mental, spiritual and, emotional strength I do not possess on my own. Faith remains a leap. I believe the rewards of faith are worth the leap.

Not when it indoctrinates into you bad ideas.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Not when it indoctrinates into you bad ideas.

There will always be those who seek to profit or gain control by perverting religion.

 

[WelshBloke]

I believe God has given me mental, spiritual and, emotional strength I do not possess on my own. Faith remains a leap. I believe the rewards of faith are worth the leap.

That again doesn't address what I was saying. Its your belief in god thats given you those things. You would have then regardless of the existence of god.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

That again doesn't address what I was saying. Its your belief in god thats given you those things. You would have then regardless of the existence of god.

Don't you think it a bit presumptuous to tell me what my experience has been?

 

[WelshBloke]

Don't you think it a bit presumptuous to tell me what my experience has been?

Not really because you are saying the same as me. Thats why you use words like "faith" and "belief" rather than "evidence" and "physical proof".

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Not really because you are saying the same as me. Thats why you use words like "faith" and "belief" rather than "evidence" and "physical proof".

They are not at all similar but just as valid.

 

[blankslate]

I have an answer... not nearly long enough ago...




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[WelshBloke]

They are not at all similar but just as valid.

In what way are they both as valid when describing the physical existence of something?
In all walks of life where its important that things are true we don't rely on faith or belief.