When was the last time you bought paper?

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I recently saw someone mention shift work at a paper mill. Got me wondering. I know they still make paper, but how much do we use today compared to 20 years ago?

I know I haven't bought a ream of paper in well over 10 years. I remember trading old printer cartridges for a ream at Office Depot back in the early '00s and I still have at least 6 or 8 unopened reams in a cabinet. I can't see that I'll ever need to buy one again. I'm pretty sure I use less than 50 new sheets a year.

We're talking personal/home use here, not business/office, though I'd think that's down too.
 

biostud

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My work supplies it for me. :)
Although 95% of my printing at home is coloring pages for my kids.
 

purbeast0

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Considering about 99% of the real snail mail I get is junk mail, I'd say there is still just as much paper being used today than in the past.
 
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lxskllr

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Personal use? I couldn't say. I was never a big paper user. Our office is paper intensive. I've reduced the use for my jobs, but everyone else burns through it fast.
 

sdifox

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Still plenty of paper being used in my house. But I buy whole cases (5000 sheets) so haven't bought any in a while.

edit: last ordered in 2016 lol but I do order before I run out so.
 
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herm0016

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junk mail provides more than enough paper to start the wood stove when its cold.
 

lxskllr

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I use scrapped blueprints from work. If I saved them throughout the year, I could roll them tight, and burn them as cordwood for most of the winter.
 

Captante

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I still have half a case of premium inkjet paper I snagged on sale for about $10 at Staples in 2005 or so. (!!)

I'm still on the original toner in the Brother laser I bought in 2006 too!

Considering how little printing I do these days since smartphones have mostly eliminated the need for paper, that remaining half-case might well last me the rest of my life!

:p
 
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Muadib

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Bought a case back in February, when I ordered a new printer. I don't print much, so the case should last a while.
 

Pohemi

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I just purchased a multi-pack of small notepads yesterday, I keep one on my desk for quick notes that aren't worth typing into a save file.

I purchased a ream of printer paper back in Sept. and haven't used much of it. I use it for printing shipping labels, and it's maybe once or twice a week in frequency, if that. I purchased a box of envelopes at the same time, and used maybe two since opening it.

Toilet paper and paper toweling is the only other paper I buy on a regular basis. TP at least, is still used by most people without a bidet in '1st world' countries.
 

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I spent much of my career in the pulp and paper industry, particularly in printing papers, and thus have seen many changes from inside.

The technologies of reducing a log of wood to a slurry of individual wood fibres in water, and of whether they should be brown, creamy or white, has changed dramatically over the last century. Likewise the means of converting that slurry of loose fibres into sheets of paper of MANY types also has undergone enormous change. Originally the emphasis was on capacity to produce ever larger quantities more quickly and hence cheaply. Then some focus shifted to customizing papers for specific uses. More recently as uses of paper have reduced considerably there has been a lot of removal of older production facilities from the business and greater concentration on specialized products.

Paper recycling, as an important part of reducing consumption of resources world-wide, had a huge impact on strategies and costs. Start by realizing that 50% of the weight of a log is water. Of the dry 50%, just under 50% of that is actually pure wood fibres - the rest is non-woody complex natural chemicals as binders in the structure of wood. In simpler papers like newsprint, almost all of the dry material is used in the paper produced. But almost all of fancier high-brightness papers is the pure wood fibres, and the non-woody dry materials are used for other purposes. (Most of that went into energy production, but more work is being done now to isolate and reclaim some of these complex materials for advanced products.) That means that the cost of transporting the fibre resource from forest all the way to end user is a big factor. A century ago that meant that paper mills were normally constructed very near the forest resource, and rivers and lakes used to transport logs to the mill. The paper then was transported by rail or ship to urban population centres for use. Beginning in the 1980's and 90's in North America and elsewhere, the drive to recycle papers and reduce consumption of trees changed that balance completely because the location of a significant portion of the fibres (from 25% upwards) had changed to the "urban forest", leaving the paper mills farther from this source. This hugely impacted the cost of gathering and transporting fibres to the mills, and in many cases caused older mills to close while new ones were built very close to large cities. The process also has had an unexpected secondary impact via world trade patterns. There are many countries where concerns for environmental impacts are much less important than for earning dollars, and many of those countries have used central government large-scale financing to build brand new high-efficiency mills that have taken significant shares of world paper markets.

The world paper industry was still adjusting to these pressures when the development of cheap efficient computer systems exploded. At first this had the impact of increasing use of office papers for printers to offset reduced use of other paper grades. But now we find a huge portion of transfer of information is being done electronically with no paper involved. Obviously this impacts use of newsprint, advertising flyers, monthly magazines, high-end sales brochures, etc., both in the dispersal of information and as media for advertising. So again, the results are that older production facilities are shut down leaving fewer still operating, and those are the newest most efficient ones. Further, many of those are the newest ones installed outside of first-world countries.

I spent a couple of decades in coated fine papers. What are those? Virtually all are white, from slightly creamy to super-white, but the field also includes many coloured papers. A lot of that group are for advertising, both as direct sales brochures and as magazines. Our mill also made many specialty papers for postal reply cards, waterproof labels on beer bottles, wallpaper, chocolate bar wrappers, soap bar wrappers, food packaging, lottery tickets, self-adhesive labels, office papers (white and coloured), lined school notebook papers, gift wrap paper, etc. I also worked in the newsprint portion for a few years, and a short time in market pulp mills that make pulp only and then sell it to paper makers. I live in northern Ontario in Canada. In this region in the 1960's there were four market pulp mills, eight newsprint mills, one linerboard mill (the facing paper for cardboard boxes) and one fine paper mill. Right now there remain one newsprint mill, one fine paper (office papers) mill, and two market pulp mills. That's about a 75% shrinkage of production and sales and employment - more than world-wide average, but typical of what happened in older paper industry locations.
 
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lxskllr

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That's pretty interesting Doc. Back in the 90s, I bought a bunch of high recycle content office paper. It was more or less the color of newspaper, and the durability was somewhat less than "premium" ultrawhite paper, but still more than good enough for semi disposable uses. Everyone bitched about it cause of the color, but I loved that paper. You could take it out in the sun, and get snowblind looking at it. I might have to go to the store and see if anything like that is still made. I wouldn't mind getting a ream or two in tabloid size to make halfsize blueprints for myself.
 

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I bought a packet last week.

1) My wife likes a hard copy of the taxes and all documents, so that we are instantly prepared for an audit at any time. Even though we filed electronically, I still wanted to print the filed forms and evidence out.

2) I just booked an excursion for a vacation and they require us to bring in signed release forms that we print out.

3) A lot of our driving and hiking is in areas that GPS doesn't do much to help. For example, many of our driving/hiking paths are in areas where the best maps are hand sketches like this one: https://i0.wp.com/trailcatjim.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/IMG_1375.jpg?resize=1091,1778&ssl=1 Until an App lets us overlay GPS signals on hand-drawn sketches, I'll still need to keep printing them. That is, unless someone can tell me where "Catwell" is in Southern Utah (Hint: it is at or near a pen for cows) using online maps and GPS. Note: Catwell isn't on that linked map as I couldn't find an online version of the Catwell map. GPS coordinates we found after driving to Catwell: 37°29'08.0"N 111°15'11.5"W
 
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lxskllr

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3) A lot of our driving and hiking is in areas that GPS doesn't do much to help. For example, many of our driving/hiking paths are in areas where the best maps are hand sketches like this one: https://i0.wp.com/trailcatjim.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/IMG_1375.jpg?resize=1091,1778&ssl=1 Until an App lets us overlay GPS signals on hand-drawn sketches, I'll still need to keep printing them. That is, unless someone can tell me where "Catwell" is in Southern Utah (Hint: it is at or near a pen for cows) using online maps and GPS. Note: Catwell isn't on that linked map as I couldn't find an online version of the Catwell map. GPS coordinates we found after driving to Catwell: 37°29'08.0"N 111°15'11.5"W
You should checkout osmand for android. Uses openstreetmap for maps, and has a reputation of being better than google for offroad stuff. If the area you're interested in isn't mapped, consider doing it yourself and submitting it to help other people.
 

dullard

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You should checkout osmand for android. Uses openstreetmap for maps, and has a reputation of being better than google for offroad stuff. If the area you're interested in isn't mapped, consider doing it yourself and submitting it to help other people.
Thanks. I downloaded it and will check it out.
 

Ajay

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I don't print much, but my wife is a teacher, so we go through a couple of reams a year.
 

Paperdoc

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That's pretty interesting Doc. Back in the 90s, I bought a bunch of high recycle content office paper. It was more or less the color of newspaper, and the durability was somewhat less than "premium" ultrawhite paper, but still more than good enough for semi disposable uses. Everyone bitched about it cause of the color, but I loved that paper. You could take it out in the sun, and get snowblind looking at it. I might have to go to the store and see if anything like that is still made. I wouldn't mind getting a ream or two in tabloid size to make halfsize blueprints for myself.

A couple notes on recycled papers, especially for office uses. For that type of end use the mix of collected paper for recycling would have some newsprint and flyers, but more office papers and magazines if possible. Those original papers do not have very high brightness fibres in them, and of course they had ink on them. Many would also have had clay pigment-based coatings on them, especially if they were glossy magazine stock. The clay pigment particles help in the de-inking stages: the ink dyes and pigments have a greater affinity for clay particles, and the inks PLUS the clay particles have reduced affinity for water. So the de-inking system blows air into a fine foam in the process and the ink and clay particles attach to the air bubbles and rise to the surface to be skimmed off. The original clay coating itself is usually brighter than the underlying paper fibres, so the resulting de-inked fibre mix is of lower brightness than the original surface appearance of the paper. It is not common (certainly was not in the 1990's) to attempt to bleach the de-inked fibres, and they still contain minute amounts of ink particles, so the de-inked fibre mix is not what would normally be used for high-brightness products. To many users who choose to buy paper containing high de-inked recycled content rather than bright white "virgin fibre" papers, this is entirely acceptable. I will note that current de-inking processes are even better than what we had by 1990.

I am of the opinion that paper makers and their customers have created some false expectations on paper appearance. As technology for fibre bleaching improved late in the last century paper makers promoted how great their new brighter products looked. At the same time the technologies and pigments used in paper coatings also improved and went the higher brightness route, so high brightness was a big selling point for any coated papers, too. By the late 1900's it had become common to use additives called Optical Brighteners in the basic papers as well as in any surface modifiers or coatings. These are chemicals that absorb ultraviolet light from the surrounding illumination and then re-emit visible light in the bluish-white region. The result is that in any environment with some UV light present - offices, outside, shopping malls, even your home with fluorescent lights - the papers appear even whiter and brighter than they are with no UV present. When you go to buy papers it is very common that the Brightness of the paper is boldly stated as a selling feature, and decades of promoting this feature have convinced so many that more is better. In fact, with this technology you can even buy papers with brightness ratings over 100%! That is, they appear to be brighter than a perfectly white surface because of a big boost from Optical Brighteners. But it really is more than just marketing hype! Any number of studies of people's buying behaviour of end products like magazines, books - even labels on cans of peas or beer bottles! - have demonstrated that people prefer the papers with brighter whiter appearance even if they do not know that is what they are choosing. Sometimes it takes a conscious effort to resist the appeal.
 
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Oddly enough, about a year or two ago. I had to print like 1,000 copies of something and the box of paper I already had was running low so ended up buying another. This is a very rare occurrence where I have to print a lot, especially that much, so this box will probably last me like 10+ years. The previous box had lasted me about that long, bought it back in college. I also had to change the toner, and that too will probably last me a good 10 years if more. The one that was in there was the one that came with the printer originally. Laser printers are a good investment, even if you get an office grade one and pay like a grand it's something you'll have practically forever.

I kinda want a color one just for fun, but not exactly a high priority as far as something I want to spend money on. I remember the idea of a color laser printer being a huge deal back when I was in high school and now you can buy one for under a grand. They're better than bubblejet for those that don't print a lot, since there's no heads or ink to dry up and needing replacement all the time.
 
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Oddly enough, about a year or two ago. I had to print like 1,000 copies of something and the box of paper I already had was running low so ended up buying another. This is a very rare occurrence where I have to print a lot, especially that much, so this box will probably last me like 10+ years. The previous box had lasted me about that long, bought it back in college. I also had to change the toner, and that too will probably last me a good 10 years if more. The one that was in there was the one that came with the printer originally. Laser printers are a good investment, even if you get an office grade one and pay like a grand it's something you'll have practically forever.

I kinda want a color one just for fun, but not exactly a high priority as far as something I want to spend money on. I remember the idea of a color laser printer being a huge deal back when I was in high school and now you can buy one for under a grand. They're better than bubblejet for those that don't print a lot, since there's no heads or ink to dry up and needing replacement all the time.
My school decided to lease their printers, so I decided that I needed one of the old color lasers for my "home office." :)
 

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I agree, a good laser printer is good for costs and maintenance - better than inkjet. For colour laser, I'm lucky. My family gifted me one - a Lexmark C543dn - years ago - no longer made. Toner costs are high for full colours, but same can be said for inkjet only worse, I believe. Whenever possible I use the printer driver menus on screen to tell it to use only black toner - it's much cheaper. I have had a few maintenance issues with it over several years, and Lexmark Tech Support has really been good, so my costs there are not high. The resolution of laser printers at 300 dpi and up (mine is 600 dpi native res) makes for sharp prints hard to get on inkjet without expensive paper. Until recently we ran a small retail clothing store, so I made lots of full-colour signs with photos and artwork for that. The one thing a colour laser cannot do is glossy photos. I've never found any glossy paper that the laser can stick a layer of toner to - it just wipes right off. But full colours on a matte paper still are really good colours. If it's gotta be high gloss colour photos, I go for a good inkjet, preferably a five-ink type. I have done very little of that in recent years. I DO print a lot of 4" x 6" snapshots, and for that I have a dedicated Epson Charm 225 printer that makes only that size and does a GREAT job on genuine Epson paper and ink. For that I recently bought a pack of paper and ink for $60.00 Canadian and that will yield 150+ prints - I know because I keep count - so 40¢ Canadian per 4x6 photo print.
 

stargazr

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I still have a printer, and bought two packs of paper a few years ago. Just opened the second pack, so don't use it very often.
 

Thump553

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I was averaging roughly a case a week, but closings have slowed done-now it's roughly a case a month. I go through printers like other people go through toner cartridges.
 

nakedfrog

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I bought a ream after I moved, since I needed to print/sign some documents and didn't know which box my existing ream was in. So, about two years ago.