When to expect results from Mueller

[omega3]

Mueller ofcourse is only a couple of weeks appointed but the FBI and CIA are looking into Trump's dealing for already more than a year. In one of the hearings Comey said they started a couple of months before the election so you can make the calculation.

Now why does it take so long to find all the evidence needed? I mean, the longer it takes the more difficult it will be to find old evidence. Anybody any idea when we can realistically expect results from Mueller?

 

[alien42]

i don't think it will be this year, Mueller won't go public until they are done with everything, including collusion, money laundering, and obstruction of justice, for starters.

there are also a lot of people tied in to all of this and it isn't a simple break-in at a hotel.

 

[omega3]

If Mueller had to start from scratch I'd understand but I assume he has been briefed by Comey and all others working on this case for more than a year. Not sure with time passing by it will be easier to find old traces.

 

[theeedude]

No rush. Slow drip is the way to go.

 

[BoomerD]

Not before...

 

[Azuma Hazuki]

Can I rub this one in your face if he turns out to lay the smackdown proper, @BoomerD?

 

[BoomerD]

Can I rub this one in your face if he turns out to lay the smackdown proper, @BoomerD?

Absolutely...but if you're naive enough to believe Trump and his "crew" will ever be charged with any crime...let alone prosecuted, (or impeached) then I have some very nice oceanfront property in Arizona for sale...

 

[DrunkenSano]

Absolutely...but if you're naive enough to believe Trump and his "crew" will ever be charged with any crime...let alone prosecuted, (or impeached) then I have some very nice oceanfront property in Arizona for sale...

Impeached for previous activities, probably unlikely. Impeached for future screw ups? Much more likely.

 

[fskimospy]

If Mueller had to start from scratch I'd understand but I assume he has been briefed by Comey and all others working on this case for more than a year. Not sure with time passing by it will be easier to find old traces.

I would be very surprised if we heard anything this year. It also depends a lot on what sort of results you're looking for as I imagine there are a whole bunch of different aspects to this investigation. It appears they are looking into conspiracy, perjury, collusion with Russians on disseminating hacked materials, campaign finance violations, money laundering, and probably more, along with how those all might fit together. It's a huge amount to investigate, especially when it could be spread so far over so many different entities.

 

[Azuma Hazuki]

Oh don't get me wrong, @BoomerD, I fully expect the corrupt son of a bitch and his shit-eating buddies to give the law the finger and all pardon each other. But on the off chance that some kind of justice prevails, well...

And do note that if it comes down to it, I consider the guillotine "some form of justice."

 

[Thump553]

Real life is not a TV show where everything gets wrapped up in 30 minutes. Mueller's office is probably doing a lot of very time intensive investigation into such things as money laundering. There might be some big news before the end of the year, like a critical person getting immunity for flipping on his/her compatriots, but I would be astonished if the first indictments come before next summer at the very earliest.

I realize most of you didn't live through Watergate, which was a much simpler underlying crime and a simpler coverup to unravel (after the Nixon tapes became known) but that took roughly three years from beginning to Nixon's resignation (no impeachment proceedings at all). Without going back to look it up I would say the special prosecutor's investigation was at least 18 months long.

 

[FIVR]

You will be waiting forever for "results" from the corrupt GOP-run FBI who haven't been doing anything on this issue. CIA is run by Dump Stooge and so is the FBI (Wray). In fact, they probably are investigating Trump's opponents.



You can expect a ton more leaks of very very incriminating stuff, but no subpoenas or indictments. Have you noticed how the "investigation" has gone so far? Trump's son already provided all the evidence they need yet they haven't even subpoenaed him or anybody else!


Wake up people: the FBI, as the enforcement arm of the GOP, isn't going to save you. Trump's ultimate stooge Wray now runs that agency. And there are no other agencies that haven't been suborned by Trump. Nobody in the government is going to save you.

 

[Jhhnn]

Real life is not a TV show where everything gets wrapped up in 30 minutes. Mueller's office is probably doing a lot of very time intensive investigation into such things as money laundering. There might be some big news before the end of the year, like a critical person getting immunity for flipping on his/her compatriots, but I would be astonished if the first indictments come before next summer at the very earliest.

I realize most of you didn't live through Watergate, which was a much simpler underlying crime and a simpler coverup to unravel (after the Nixon tapes became known) but that took roughly three years from beginning to Nixon's resignation (no impeachment proceedings at all). Without going back to look it up I would say the special prosecutor's investigation was at least 18 months long.

RICO the Trump empire for money laundering... under civil forfeiture statutes... pardons become immaterial...

 

[Jhhnn]

You will be waiting forever for "results" from the corrupt GOP-run FBI who haven't been doing anything on this issue. CIA is run by Dump Stooge and so is the FBI (Wray). In fact, they probably are investigating Trump's opponents.



You can expect a ton more leaks of very very incriminating stuff, but no subpoenas or indictments. Have you noticed how the "investigation" has gone so far? Trump's son already provided all the evidence they need yet they haven't even subpoenaed him or anybody else!


Wake up people: the FBI, as the enforcement arm of the GOP, isn't going to save you. Trump's ultimate stooge Wray now runs that agency. And there are no other agencies that haven't been suborned by Trump. Nobody in the government is going to save you.

Just tearing down de gubmint & spreading the FUD, huh?

 

[trenchfoot]

May not be admissible in court(?), but methinks having the Trump clan, their campaign associates and their American liaisons with the Russians voluntarily submit to lie detector tests administered by the FBI or CIA would surely speed things along wouldn't it?

I mean, if the Trump clan and their associates have nothing to hide, those lie detector tests should actually exonerate them of any wrongdoing, right?

 

[Balt]

Agree with others who say it's probably going to be a while.

Though one thing that might speed it up is how incompetent Trump and his family/administration have been at covering things up so far.

 

[FIVR]

Just tearing down de gubmint & spreading the FUD, huh?

Where are the subpoenas? Why hasn't a single grand jury been convened?


Every day the media brings us different tidbits of evidence that all could easily be used to indite any number of Trump associates, if not Trump himself. Yet, we never hear about subpoenas being sent or anybody testifying under oath. Why do you think that is?


Michael Flynn was a known, indictable traitor in February when he was fired and we got all the info about how he accepted foreign money (from both Turkey and Russia) and left it completely out of his SF86 forms. He should be in prison as I type this, but instead he is allowed to be free... Why do you think that is?


You will have an argument that "de gubmint" is doing something about Trump and Russia when somebody actually faces consequences. "FUD" is just the natural state the American public should be in when they are under attack from a foreign power. Why you think everyone should sit around like some self-immolating dog saying "This is fine!" is a mystery to me.

 

[Jhhnn]

When? Many moons from now. Organized crime cases take time.

 

[Moonbeam]

Just tearing down de gubmint & spreading the FUD, huh?

How polite of you. I heard an old fashioned clock with a bird in it striking 12.

 

[Azuma Hazuki]

I'm with the group that thinks these bastards are gonna walk away scot-free. Our institutions have been fatally compromised. At this point the best we can hope for is "lone wolf" vigilante attacks on these people, and I shudder to think what kind of precedent that will set...

We will not allow anyone to "hope" for vigilante violence as a solution to our political problems on these forums, period.

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[theeedude]

Everyone should hope that we get real justice for Republican traitors, not obstructed justice or vigilante justice. But recent history isn't encouraging.

 

[shortylickens]

I'd really like it if this is the first president to do jail time.
But he's also a white billionaire so thats statistically improbable.

 

[FelixDeCat]

I'd really like it if this is the first president to do jail time.
But he's also a white billionaire so thats statistically improbable.

For what, exactly? For the conspiratorial notions of a few capitalist running dog lackeys?

 

[Commodus]

For what, exactly? For the conspiratorial notions of a few capitalist running dog lackeys?

Wait wait wait... did you seriously level a "capitalist running dog lackeys" attack when you cheerlead for a billionaire executive who has been routinely accused of fraud and stiffing contractors, is actively using his Presidency to enrich his private business, and has taken on administration members that deep throat banks, telecoms and the fossil fuel industry?

The irony is so strong that even Alanis Morrissette would think it's a bit much.

 

[Jhhnn]

For what, exactly? For the conspiratorial notions of a few capitalist running dog lackeys?

Trump was personally above the fray before he tried twisting Comey's arm & likely those of Rogers & Coats as well. Had he not, they would have said so in an open Senate hearing. They rather refused to answer. Firing Comey put Donald right in the middle of it. Rosenstein would have destroyed his own credibility had he not appointed a special counsel.

It's not just about the campaign anymore, either, but about potential racketeering charges involving financial transactions with Russian entities & their international proxies as well. That's all wide open now.

It will be very interesting to see where it goes.