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when SSID disable, how do you enter it manually?

If you are using Windows XP SP2, you don't. Without SSID being enabled, Windows Wireless Zero Configuration (Windows wireless client) won't allow you to connect to the AP. If you want to disable SSID, you'll have to use a third party wireless client to connect. I'd however recommend to turn on SSID. Turning it off just gives you a false sense of security. Turn it on and enable WPA2 and you'll be good to go. 😉
 
3rd party wireless client? are you sure, cuz when i move closer to the router with my laptop, it detects it with no problems, ssid shown up and everything, but when i move away in a distance from the router, it became undetectable, that's why i'm asking how to manually enter it. I thought everyone enters their ssid manually, no?
 
Originally posted by: Solodays
3rd party wireless client? are you sure, cuz when i move closer to the router with my laptop, it detects it with no problems, ssid shown up and everything, but when i move away in a distance from the router, it became undetectable, that's why i'm asking how to manually enter it. I thought everyone enters their ssid manually, no?
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Sorry man, I'm smoking crack. Yes, you put your SSID in manually on the client side, but Windows XP needs to have the SSID enabled on the AP to connect to it. Are you using something like Linksys wireless client or something like that to connect to your AP?
 
Originally posted by: Solodays
what you mean winxp needs to have the ssid enabled on the AP to connect? i'm using a linksys WRT54GS router.
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What I mean by "enabled" is broadcasting. If you don't broadcast the SSID on the AP (WRT54GS), Windows XP's wireless client (wireless zero configuration) will have problems connecting to the AP even if you specify exactly the SSID you want to connect to. For instance, you set up your AP to use SSID Linksys1, but disable the broadacting. You then go into Windows XP and set its built in wireless client to connect to SSID Linksys1. Since you disabled the SSID broadcast on the AP, it will not show up as an available network to connect to (yes, I know taht's what you were trying to accomplish by disabling SSID). And if doesn't show up as an available network, XP will have problems connecting to the AP, even if you manually specify the SSID.
 
Originally posted by: Solodays
what you mean winxp needs to have the ssid enabled on the AP to connect? i'm using a linksys WRT54GS router.
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The way I am reading his response it states that the Windows Wireless Zero Configuration utility needs to see a brodacasted SSID in order to connect to it. However if you go to the advanced settings and put the SSID in manually, along with the encryption key if applicable, it will connect just fine.
 
quite a few people here disable their ssid, how do they connect then? do they all use 3rd party programs?

again, you know why ssid shown up at a closer range even when ssid is disable ?
 
Originally posted by: Solodays
quite a few people here disable their ssid, how do they connect then? do they all use 3rd party programs?

again, you know why ssid shown up at a closer range even when ssid is disable ?
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I just disabled the SSID on my router, and if I use the Windows XP WZC utility I can connect as long as I go to the advanced settings and add the connection manually.
 
Originally posted by: John
Originally posted by: Solodays
what you mean winxp needs to have the ssid enabled on the AP to connect? i'm using a linksys WRT54GS router.
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The way I am reading his response it states that the Windows Wireless Zero Configuration utility needs to see a brodacasted SSID in order to connect to it. However if you go to the advanced settings and put the SSID in manually, along with the encryption key if applicable, it will connect just fine.
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WTH? After reading your response and went checking around, it looks like yes, apparently you can now connect to an SSID that is disabled. When I first started working with my wireless network, there were several articles (including MS) stating you could not connect to a network that had the SSID broadcast turned off. I also tried connecting with SSID turned off and would not connect, no matter what (I manually entered the AP's SSID with no luck). Haven't tried it since, but it looks like you can connect.
 
Originally posted by: Solodays
Originally posted by: Solodays


again, you know why ssid shown up at a closer range even when ssid is disable ?
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will read that link later. another unanswer question.
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Are you sure that is YOUR SSID you're seeing, not an AP named the same as yours?
 
Originally posted by: Solodays
100% mine
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Dude, you've got something jacked up if you can see the SSID on your available wireless networks, when you have SSID disabled. Somethings wrong there.

As for your router WRT54GS, it uses two channels to give you that speed boast. Are you using the Linksys wireless card that corresponds (I'm assuming you're using a laptop) with that router?
 
I've never gotten Windows Wireless Zero Configuration to connect properly and it boots me off at random. IF I disable the service and use the drivers for the network to enter the info it works fine. It is now my habit just to disable Windows Wireless Zero Configuration on any machine that will reside on my network.
 
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: Solodays
100% mine
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Dude, you've got something jacked up if you can see the SSID on your available wireless networks, when you have SSID disabled. Somethings wrong there.

As for your router WRT54GS, it uses two channels to give you that speed boast. Are you using the Linksys wireless card that corresponds (I'm assuming you're using a laptop) with that router?
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no, nothing is wrong with the router, it works perfectly ever since day one from purchase. yes, i'm using a laptop.
 
Originally posted by: Solodays
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: Solodays
100% mine
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Dude, you've got something jacked up if you can see the SSID on your available wireless networks, when you have SSID disabled. Somethings wrong there.

As for your router WRT54GS, it uses two channels to give you that speed boast. Are you using the Linksys wireless card that corresponds (I'm assuming you're using a laptop) with that router?
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no, nothing is wrong with the router, it works perfectly ever since day one from purchase. yes, i'm using a laptop.
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Umm, it's not working perfectly is you disable SSID broadcast and you can still pick it up.
 
it only can detect ssid only close range. maybe the wireless card on my laptop can do a better job detecting than other older wireless cards.
 
From what I can tell... you have the network SSID and encryption key pair specified manually in your list of preferred networks. Your router is NOT broadcasting it's SSID. However, the network traffic is still detectable. Thus, a connection can be made. When you ARE SUCCESSFULLY connected, windows should list your network in the list of wireless networks SO YOU CAN TELL that you are connected. This does not mean that the SSID is being broadcast. When you go out of range, and do not see the network, that is because 1. the SSID is not being broad cast AND 2. you are out of range of the router's signal, so you cannot connect, and windows doesn't list the network because you are disconnected.

Got it? SSID broadcasting is more of an annoyance than a security feature.
 
Originally posted by: volrath
From what I can tell... you have the network SSID and encryption key pair specified manually in your list of preferred networks. Your router is NOT broadcasting it's SSID. However, the network traffic is still detectable. Thus, a connection can be made. When you ARE SUCCESSFULLY connected, windows should list your network in the list of wireless networks SO YOU CAN TELL that you are connected. This does not mean that the SSID is being broadcast. When you go out of range, and do not see the network, that is because 1. the SSID is not being broad cast AND 2. you are out of range of the router's signal, so you cannot connect, and windows doesn't list the network because you are disconnected.

Got it? SSID broadcasting is more of an annoyance than a security feature.
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I think Volrath has your problem down pat. I would disagree with SSID broadcasting. It's a bit more then an annoyance, it's another layer in wireless security. You have to actually catch a client association packet to to sniff the ssid out, and after the initial connection, usually the reassociation is encrypted (if it's a decent setup, anyway).
 
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