When shutdown ends ...........

[MtnMan]

....... will all furloughed federal employees receive their full pay (retro-actively) for the time they didn't work, as was done after the last shut down?

Newt Gingrich was on Leno last night, and he just stated as if it was fact that these 800,000 federal employees are just getting a paid vacation.

These employees are also eligible to apply for unemployment or take a temporary job during the shut down.

Congress gets paid, federal employees will get paid, and guess who gets screwed

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Yes, it's a paid vacation, in the sense that you don't get paid for it. My wife has friends who work in sectors that are being shut down, and they have no jobs and no money for the foreseeable future. "Give me an extra month, I'm good for it," doesn't exactly pay the rent, let alone buy food. But go on thinking it's the Federal employees who are making out like bandits from the shutdown...

 

[boomerang]

Would it help if you understood that they are not just different from the rest of us but better?

They should not get paid for any pay periods in which they collected unemployment but isn't there still a waiting period involved? In other words, they probably won't collect any unemployment.

 

[nixium]

<morally bankrupt tea party>
let them starve and get kicked out its their own fault for working for the government, and their kids should have picked better parents. Shutdown or not the gubment better pay my SSI/Medicare.
</morally bankrupt tea party>

 

[LookBehindYou]

The furloughed people may or may not get paid. In the past they have, now though, it's pretty uncertain. The essential ones still working may have it bad too. Myself for example, I'm essential so I am working, except I have no idea when I'll get paid and cannot collect unemployment. Not a big deal if it lasts only a couple days or week or so. But if it lasts two months say, I'll have been working for two months without pay and no ability to collect unemployment, while the furloughed people will have at least collected unemployment.

 

[boomerang]

now though, it's pretty uncertain.

Why is that? Serious question.

 

[Ryan]

I don't think we'll get paid. I'll have to track it down, but I was reading a quote that some news site put on twitter from a House Republican concerning back pay for furloughed civilians....and he said that was no appetite to pass a bill to pay them. He cited the high debt as a reason not to pay them.

If this last two weeks, most of my fellow furloughed employees will be severely hurt by not getting back pay.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

When shutdown ends ...........

Everything will be Unicorns and Rainbows

 

[LookBehindYou]

Why is that? Serious question.

Different landscape then it was in the past. Politics, economy, etc., all quite different and much worse off. Not saying it won't be the case, it's just really up in the air as to whether they'll get back pay.

I read one little bit in an article yesterday that explained the different landscape as far as politicians go. It used to be they all lived in DC, so you would have dems and repubs talking it out while at a baseball game for their kids, or out and about or whatever. Now, they all go back to their home bases every weekend so there is no chance of that happening. They argue mon-fri, go home, and then come back to DC to do it again. Just different mindsets.

The ability to negotiate between the two parties is long gone, there is no longer any room for concessions without one party feeling like they "lost", so it just doesnt happen anymore.

 

[boomerang]

Different landscape then it was in the past. Politics, economy, etc., all quite different and much worse off. Not saying it won't be the case, it's just really up in the air as to whether they'll get back pay.

I read one little bit in an article yesterday that explained the different landscape as far as politicians go. It used to be they all lived in DC, so you would have dems and repubs talking it out while at a baseball game for their kids, or out and about or whatever. Now, they all go back to their home bases every weekend so there is no chance of that happening. They argue mon-fri, go home, and then come back to DC to do it again. Just different mindsets.

The ability to negotiate between the two parties is long gone, there is no longer any room for concessions without one party feeling like they "lost", so it just doesnt happen anymore.

Very much agree. And I think it's an irreversible condition.

It's always best to err on the side of caution but I think back pay will occur.

 

[Paratus]

As it takes an act of congress, this congress, I'm not holding out much hope. I'm fine for several weeks, a few months but we'll see.

 

[Apple Of Sodom]

I thought our government was there to provide just essential services? I kinda like this and think we could do without all those people on the payroll. Maybe we go long enough that the public realizes we don't need to pay a ton of people to do this shit. Oh no, the national parks are closed! Someone, please explain to me how we close nature?

 

[Ryan]

I thought our government was there to provide just essential services? I kinda like this and think we could do without all those people on the payroll. Maybe we go long enough that the public realizes we don't need to pay a ton of people to do this shit. Oh no, the national parks are closed! Someone, please explain to me how we close nature?

I hate these kinds of dumbass arguments. FYI....parks don't clean, maintain, and protect themselves.

 

[cubby1223]

Welcome to the same uncertainty we in the private sector live day in and day out.

 

[Lithium381]

I hate these kinds of dumbass arguments. FYI....parks don't clean, maintain, and protect themselves.

um. . . you DO realize that work can be done OUTSIDE of the government right? Are you familiar with the private sector?

 

[K1052]

I thought our government was there to provide just essential services? I kinda like this and think we could do without all those people on the payroll. Maybe we go long enough that the public realizes we don't need to pay a ton of people to do this shit. Oh no, the national parks are closed! Someone, please explain to me how we close nature?

The US Court System is going to run out of money in a little over a week. FAA can't certify planes returning from heavy maintenance as airworthy. Anything requiring a permit from basically any agency with regulatory power is stopped. WIC shutting down and SNAP following in a month. Major economic reports the markets and the Fed rely on to make decisions not forthcoming which will cause an exponential rises in uncertainly if people start making decisions in the dark. A bunch of agencies running on cash that will eventually dry up and cause closure (DOE, NRC, Patent Office, etc).

Yea...don't see any problems at all.....

 

[nextJin]

If my wife gets back pay most of you just gave her 3, 000 a week.

For doing nothing.

 

[Ryan]

um. . . you DO realize that work can be done OUTSIDE of the government right? Are you familiar with the private sector?

Do you really think that the private sector gives two shits about conservation of national treasures....?

If you do, I've got a bridge to sell you.....

 

[werepossum]

Different landscape then it was in the past. Politics, economy, etc., all quite different and much worse off. Not saying it won't be the case, it's just really up in the air as to whether they'll get back pay.

I read one little bit in an article yesterday that explained the different landscape as far as politicians go. It used to be they all lived in DC, so you would have dems and repubs talking it out while at a baseball game for their kids, or out and about or whatever. Now, they all go back to their home bases every weekend so there is no chance of that happening. They argue mon-fri, go home, and then come back to DC to do it again. Just different mindsets.

The ability to negotiate between the two parties is long gone, there is no longer any room for concessions without one party feeling like they "lost", so it just doesnt happen anymore.

That's true, but the flip side was that Congress considered home to be D.C. and were principally concerned with keeping happy the people in D.C., NOT the people who they nominally were elected to represent. That kind of fellowship was increasingly screwing the American people who do not live in D.C. That kind of fellowship gives us legislation that is good for the people who do not live in D.C. and of course the oh so generous people who come to D.C. bearing gifts to ask for things whether or not it is good for the people back home. Case in point, tearing down tariffs in favor of global arbitrage.

All D.C. needs is a Congressional referee. For the House, send in John Roberts with a whistle, a Kennedy half dollar and a pair of ten-sided dice. Allot a given amount of time for each bill proportional to its budget and its printed size. Before that debate, each Congresscritter must read the entire bill and must state under oath that s/he has done so or else be locked in the coat closet for the duration of the debate. All debate must be televised live with all mics hot and must occur in the House or Senate main chamber, and America will vote via telephone ($2 per call) on what costume each party wears. Piss off the American people and come to work dressed in a chicken costume with pink bikini. When time has expired without agreement, Roberts blows the whistle, flips the coin to see which side wins, and rolls the ten-sided dice to see how much of their wishes they get. The Senate will be much the same, but each session there is a special mystery referee (selected randomly from all registered voters and wearing a Mexican wrestler mask.) Roberts will referee reconciliation votes when Howie Mandel is unavailable. Then the full SCOTUS has one hour (which will be televised live by the highest bidder, uncut with no commentary and only scrolling text banners for advertising except during potty breaks) to allocate that much of the bill to the victor. Being the referee, Roberts may vote only to break an impasse, but if there is no agreement (i.e. no plan has five clowns in gowns with Roberts' vote) then Roberts has one additional sudden death bonus half-hour to set the settlement while all the other justices must strip down to nineteenth century bathing suits and hit each other with rubber chickens.

That, bitches, is how one designs a working system of government that can turn a profit and is not so mindless boring that most Americans can't even say what is being debated in a given week.

 

[werepossum]

Welcome to the same uncertainty we in the private sector live day in and day out.

QFT

If my wife gets back pay most of you just gave her 3, 000 a week.

For doing nothing.

Tell your wife for that kind of money I expect sex, and not just vanilla. And dinner too. Someplace nice, with real silver.

 

[Zaap]

My question is, when the damage to the private sector that the government has presided over ends, will all the millions of people who've lost jobs/money/property etc. be paid back retro-actively?


Oh, wait, wait... just realized the flaw of my question.

The damage the government does to the private sector will never end.

 

[nextJin]

QFT


Tell your wife for that kind of money I expect sex, and not just vanilla. And dinner too. Someplace nice, with real silver.

Well.

If that's how you fell for a GS14 what are you expecting from everyone else in government

 

[Apple Of Sodom]

I hate these kinds of dumbass arguments. FYI....parks don't clean, maintain, and protect themselves.

I understand that they don't. If someone wants to clean and maintain them, let them. Otherwise, let nature have it back.

 

[nehalem256]

Newt Gingrich was on Leno last night, and he just stated as if it was fact that these 800,000 federal employees are just getting a paid vacation.

Its like a vacation except you couldn't get tickets to sunny location ahead of time. And you don't know how long it will last so you can't even get them now.

 

[Texashiker]

I hope the shutdown never ends.

Let the government default on its debt, let the markets crash, and let there be true reform in washington dc.