When is the next generation of videocards coming up?

[Cloudfire777]

Apple and Qualcomm will be able, and willing, to pay more than AMD and nVidia.
So while everyone orders, its still a queue system.

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a magician with us today. He is able to look down in his magic hat and see how much each company are willing to pay. He also can see that the companies are in queue and TSMC do not distribute across all companies but rather only supply one and move on to the next when they got enough...

Seriously, you don`t know this. You don`t know how the deals are made, how they produce the wafers there, you dont know how much each company is willing to pay, you don`t know who is currently sampling wafers....

I see this argument all the time. Mr Average Joe Know It All going all doom because Apple may produce their SOCs at TSMC. You don`t even know if Apple will be using both Samsung and TSMC, or either one of them.

Mr Average Joe Know It All that doesnt even have a IT degree but suddenly have his own madeup masters degree in how foundries operate.

 

[f1sherman]

Its very simple. Who wants to pay most gets the wafers. 28nm for example started at around 7500$ per wafer. Today it cost 2000$ or so.

Apple and Qualcomm will be able, and willing, to pay more than AMD and nVidia.

So while everyone orders, its still a queue system.

TSMC doesnt work like this:
OK Apple/Qualcomm are happy, it's your turn Nvidia/AMD now. Here are your waffers and here are your 20nm dies.

The entire process of adapting 20nm to particular customer is not straightforward, and has been contracted and started long ago.

again... that Apple/Qualcomm theory assumes TSMC is clueless and does not know how to allocate resources for high-demand product.
Or at the very least that TSMC is baffled by sudden 20nm demand.

It assumes TSMC is willing to screw little customers, for a quick buck and for the sake of those who can leave tomorrow and let them hang dry.
And it goes against TSMC’s corporate culture of ‘jumping through the hoops’ for the benefit of their customers.

 

[f1sherman]

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a magician with us today. He is able to look down in his magic hat and see how much each company are willing to pay. He also can see that the companies are in queue and TSMC do not distribute across all companies but rather only supply one and move on to the next when they got enough...

Seriously, you don`t know this. You don`t know how the deals are made, how they produce the wafers there, you dont know how much each company is willing to pay, you don`t know who is currently sampling wafers....

I see this argument all the time. Mr Average Joe Know It All going all doom because Apple may produce their SOCs at TSMC. You don`t even know if Apple will be using both Samsung and TSMC, or either one of them.

Mr Average Joe Know It All that doesnt even have a IT degree but suddenly have his own madeup masters degree in how foundries operate.

Yeah what's with that :hello:

We pretty much operate in dark and we know zero about how much particular customer is willing to pay,
what their 20nm roadmap looks like. Not to mention what their contracts look like.

Untill Char-lie sheds some light ofc :sneaky:
https://semiaccurate.com/2012/12/06/nvidias-maxwell-process-choice/#.UOjxXW80V8E

 

[Cloudfire777]

I think this roadmap is very plausible. Specs maybe, but the timeline seems right on the target to me. Launch GTX 880 in June at Computex. Use all available 20nm wafers available on one GPU model. Just like they did with GTX 680 and we all saw the shortages that came along with it.

Anyway, looks like ARM have taped out Cortex 16nm FinFET from TSMC. Very interesting!
https://semiaccurate.com/2014/03/03/6-core-16nm-finfet-arm-cortex-a57-chips-spotted-wild/