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When is the next A64 CPU coming out?

AMD is no doubt going to be slow on the releases in the next 6 months. They are very likely pouring all their recources into getting the Dual Core processors finalized. Don't expect much of anything to write home about for the first half of the year.
 
maybe FX-57, and maybe 4200+, but HIGHLY unlikely

theyre phasing out the 754s and then theyre going to bring in dual cores
 
i am sure the first dual cores are gonna have to be on socket 939 as if they weren't they woudl really piss off about 3/4 of their customer base but do we have any idea when they are gonna ramp up the pin counts on the dual cores?
 
Before dual-core CPUs, Athlon 64 3700+, skt. 939 will be released, in Q2 2005. With the new E0 revision core (Venice), it will support SSE3 and will have some other architectural enhancements. Rumors says it will be built using the new SOI/SS technology, so 3GHz on air will be possible 😉
 
Originally posted by: Artanis
Before dual-core CPUs, Athlon 64 3700+, skt. 939 will be released, in Q2 2005. With the new E0 revision core (Venice), it will support SSE3 and will have some other architectural enhancements. Rumors says it will be built using the new SOI/SS technology, so 3GHz on air will be possible 😉
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Is it supposed to be 90nm or 130?
 
All new AMD CPUs (Athlon 64 and Opteron) will be built in 90nm process.
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Not , totally true they just released a socket 754 A64 3300+, which runs at 2.4GHz, but only has 256k L2. They are still producing some new socket 754's for the budget pc market. Go to HP's website and search for a 810n, to see what I mean, its just over $600, not bad.
 
I never heard about 3300+ CPU officialy on any AMD roadmap nor website...I don't know what's that 256kb cache A64...
 
Originally posted by: Amol
...theyre phasing out the 754s...
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(This rant is not necessarily directed at the above poster. Just a convenient tag in.)

That would be senseless. As far as I know AMD have never said or hinted that s754 is planned for any phaseout? On the contrary, as far as I know, AMD have always denied that s754 will be replaced by 939?
They have also hinted that s754 will see an upgraded HT link and memory interface. And while they have hinted that s940 may come in question for Opteron dualcore CPUs, they have never suggested s939 will be able to take a dualcore CPU.

Anyone have any links at all to any other contrary type of statements? From AMD?

Now AT OTOH, seem to have some crusade against s754 going, for some reason. Doubtless Anand is well underhand informed, but killing off s754 makes no sense. It performs too well, is too good value, to much volume (PC manufacturers), too great volume potential (64-bit budget and PC manufacturers). The s939 package is simply too expensive to ever be able to compete with 754 in the value segment. Only reason for AMD to "phase out" s754 would be if they intend to get out of the value segment.
Neither the introduction of the Sempron, A64 3300+, nor AMD's recent successes with some manufacturers, (like HP, Fujitsu, Packard) seem to indicate AMD have any plans to get out of the value sector.

Again and again I see the same senseless advice on these forums. "s754 will be phased out, get s939 and 3000+/3200+, because it's more future proof". What is the logic behind that idea?
s754 3400+, NF3-250Gb MB and 1GB PC3200 is about $410. Decent quality.
First s939 to beat its performance is the 3800+. At ~$600, CPU alone. And then by a measly 4.7%.

- And so what IF s754 is phased out?!
So the grand plan is to buy a s939 cpu/mb/ram setup for ~$500, and then in some future drop in a 3800+, 4200+ for another $250-$350? Why not get the 3800+ or FX right now and enjoy the performance from start? Won't be so much more $ in the end.
And what exactly do you save on by this exercice? - You don't have to replace the (obsolete) MB?! A $65-$100 item for those who don't bother with this nonsens, $120-$200 item for the *future proofs*.

Now me, I'm going to get a FUTURE MB, with real mature SATA/RAID support, mature PCIe, possibly DDR2/3, possibly socket 941. ...And I expect to pay about $80 for it.
 
The main problem with 754 platform is not performance, but future. According to the Anandtech roadmap, skt.754 EoL will be in Q4 this year. Also, is stated that the new E0 core supporting SSE3, and 90nm complete transition will be only for 939 platforms. Dual-channel can't be ignored either, even if that is not bringing too much performance increase to the A64, the fact that you can use without compatibility issues up to 4DIMM slots at DDR400 or faster specs. does matters. Slowly, skt.754 will be Sempron only platform, we like it or not...
On the other hand, present A64 3000+ 90nm CPUs oc. fairy well, so reaching 2.5-2.7 GHz is not imposible on air, beating any skt. 745 CPU at that clock.
Not enen talking about dual cores only for 940/939 platform (hopefully).
The 754->939 upgrade doesn't make sense now, but in 6 month, buying a new NF4 MB, and a A64 3700+ Venice core would make sense. You may hope that it be replaced by a dual core CPU, without changing the MB 😉.
 
Originally posted by: Vee
Originally posted by: Amol
...theyre phasing out the 754s...
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(This rant is not necessarily directed at the above poster. Just a convenient tag in.)

That would be senseless. As far as I know AMD have never said or hinted that s754 is planned for any phaseout? On the contrary, as far as I know, AMD have always denied that s754 will be replaced by 939?
They have also hinted that s754 will see an upgraded HT link and memory interface. And while they have hinted that s940 may come in question for Opteron dualcore CPUs, they have never suggested s939 will be able to take a dualcore CPU.

Anyone have any links at all to any other contrary type of statements? From AMD?

Now AT OTOH, seem to have some crusade against s754 going, for some reason. Doubtless Anand is well underhand informed, but killing off s754 makes no sense. It performs too well, is too good value, to much volume (PC manufacturers), too great volume potential (64-bit budget and PC manufacturers). The s939 package is simply too expensive to ever be able to compete with 754 in the value segment. Only reason for AMD to "phase out" s754 would be if they intend to get out of the value segment.
Neither the introduction of the Sempron, A64 3300+, nor AMD's recent successes with some manufacturers, (like HP, Fujitsu, Packard) seem to indicate AMD have any plans to get out of the value sector.

Again and again I see the same senseless advice on these forums. "s754 will be phased out, get s939 and 3000+/3200+, because it's more future proof". What is the logic behind that idea?
s754 3400+, NF3-250Gb MB and 1GB PC3200 is about $410. Decent quality.
First s939 to beat its performance is the 3800+. At ~$600, CPU alone. And then by a measly 4.7%.

- And so what IF s754 is phased out?!
So the grand plan is to buy a s939 cpu/mb/ram setup for ~$500, and then in some future drop in a 3800+, 4200+ for another $250-$350? Why not get the 3800+ or FX right now and enjoy the performance from start? Won't be so much more $ in the end.
And what exactly do you save on by this exercice? - You don't have to replace the (obsolete) MB?! A $65-$100 item for those who don't bother with this nonsens, $120-$200 item for the *future proofs*.

Now me, I'm going to get a FUTURE MB, with real mature SATA/RAID support, mature PCIe, possibly DDR2/3, possibly socket 941. ...And I expect to pay about $80 for it.
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Theoretically the 90nm is cheaper to make then the newcastle sckt 754 130nm...This is fact. Therefore the reason the newcastles are cheaper right now is the fact they are on a platform being replaced.

The main thing for most is yes there can be a few bucks saved goiung to sckt 754 platform right now, but that is mainly do to cheaper boards for the sckt and less so for the cpu. However getting a sckt 754 board now with so many good sckt 939 mobos out there even for a few bucks is IMO stupid. I am saying for those building right now. There is potential for some to get 1 -2 sckt 939 winchester upgrades on that board. I try to get at least 2 cpu upgrades out of my mobos and it would have been pointless with a sckt 754 platform....


I am wainting ofr the rumored newer releases of the 90nm chiops that will feature SOI and strained silicon. This may be the key to hitting 3ghz aircooled with current technology....
 
1-2 Winchester upgrades ? You are too optimistic. There are only 3 models out there, next cores won't be Winchester 😀. Anyway, a NF4 MB may have a longer lifespan then the present VIA/Nvidia (Nforce3) mobos...
 
Next is venice with dual stress liner tech this adds SSE3 and enables much more clock speeds. Also called rev E0 or just E. According to AMD Q1 2005.. I expect late maybe Q2 once all "old" parts are sold. They are making them now.

Whether they bump up speeds is anyones guess since FX-55 and 4000 simply dominate intels parts now. But one thing for sure 3.0Ghz on air will be possible so the margin is there when intel pushes thier 2mb lvl2 prescotts out the door. I imagine both AMD and Intels new parts will appear around same time frame to steal thunder.

Probably FX-57@2.8 and 4200@ 2.6..
 
Intel already pushed 6xx series out the door 🙂 Not much performance increase, but heat increase, as I expected. The good thing is that 64bit support will make XP x64 edition appear sooner, we hope 😉
 
The fastest P4 I know of is Pentium 4 570J (3.8Ghz 1mb lvl2) which has no 64 bit instruction or large cache..correct me if I worng.

I'd like to see the 670 (3.8 2mb lvl2 EM64T) I mean 3.8 bascially EE has to beat AMD's 4000 part.
 
There is Pentium 4 660, 3.6GHz, 2MB L2 cache, Prescott core.
Here you have an image of its performance increase over a same clocked 560.
 
Originally posted by: Artanis
1-2 Winchester upgrades ? You are too optimistic. There are only 3 models out there, next cores won't be Winchester 😀. Anyway, a NF4 MB may have a longer lifespan then the present VIA/Nvidia (Nforce3) mobos...
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There may only be 3 models but if you have even looked at the latest amd roadmap it did show a 3700+ model and above being released...

You ppl are OPTIMISTIC if you think dual cores will be released so soon it will negate any need for some speed increases....

NF4's show little need unless I was going to get an SLI model...I dont game seriously so it is not much of a need for me to switch....I got one of the best ocing boards of all time so again where is the need....


I will wait for a a 3700+ or 4000+ sckt 939 (maybe not called winchesters) (which there will be!!) and for fab dates in 2005 and they will likely be he newer SS/SOI ones and 3ghz will be had....

Do some research next time!!!😉
 
Hey, aren't you reading the topic ?
Originally posted by: Artanis
Also, is stated that the new E0 core supporting SSE3, and 90nm complete transition will be only for 939 platforms.
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The 754->939 upgrade doesn't make sense now, but in 6 month, buying a new NF4 MB, and a A64 3700+ Venice core would make sense.
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No, there seems that won't be any Winchesters, as much as you would like 😀 Anyway, 2 CPU upgrades for the same MB sounds much for me 🙂
NF4 is still usefull even without SLI, because AGP is slowly dieing, and PCIe being the future...
 
Soooooo, here's a layman's question: Should I wait around a few more months to buy a new A64 machine, hoping that prices will drop markedly as these new forms and technologies come to market?
 
Problem with waiting is that you will be waiting forever. There will always be a better choice a few months down the road. After Athlon64 Rev. E, there's going to be dual-cores, then probably quad-cores and on and on ....IMHO, if you need a new machine, just get one now. When the rev E does hit the market, it will most likely be slightly overpriced anyway and then you'll have to wait for its price to stabilise.

My .02
 
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