When is it right to tell a friend to do his take home quizzes himself?

[Ricemarine]

Pretty much for calculus classes we get take home quizzes (only counts for about 20% of the test grade)... We can work with groups and with tutors. This is community college.

So here's my dilemma.

Background of dilemma
We had one that was due last week, which I spent my whole weekend and weekdays solving with help from tutors and my own work (but usually I work with a study group). Two days before it was due, and the day before it was, I was in there too, and there were a few other people there too working on the problem. The day when we had to turn it in, I was helping people in my class solve the problems (guiding them thru). But there was this one guy who is part of that study group who I know pretty well as a friend, who never came for who knows why during that time.

So on the day it was due, he asked if he could look at my paper to check. I show him it, and then he says he'll give it back by the end of class in front of the teacher (copying)... What ended up happening was that the teacher was disturbed by the endless chatter of the homework, so he collected it first thing... The problem was, my friend wouldn't give it back. I ask for it back, he tells me he wants to copy it and I can have it back tomorrow since the teacher doesn't mark you off (although the teacher did state that he might do something to reflect the assignment being late)... So he zipped up his backpack, but I told him to hand it back right there right now. He says let me copy it, but then the teacher told him to leave since he was packed up, and because he was pretty loud whispering during the lecture.

So, I had to turn that in tomorrow, and hope I don't lose points.

Current dilemma
Once again, he doesn't try to study about it, even though I once again went to the Math lab on my own trying to solve the problems.. So now I have solved them. He calls me up today, the day before its due, and tells me that his father was in the hospital for an arm problem, and he was there until 3 AM... Only problem, was that friday he said he had to go to the mosque (he's muslim), so he couldn't help study...

Now he wants me to scan and send him my work so he can be "guided on how to do it." He told also me over the phone that I am not the only one who has to work like crazy this week (I have one test, one quiz, and one essay due this week), and that he really needs help...

I gave him a word document I wrote up in 5 minutes on guiding him to solve the problem (not giving him the answer, just how to rewrite equations to help solve the problem)... There are two more problems he has to do, I didn't give him anything to solve the other two.

Cliffs:
-Guy didn't do work, gets kicked out of class for the day with my homework that I did solo.
-He's making excuses for scans of my work of THIS current quiz
-Not sure on how to go about this since the excuse sort of and sort of doesnt' work.

So my question is...
Should I tell him to go screw himself next time?
If he can't solve the rest of the problems on the quiz, tell him too bad, not my problem?

 

[IronWing]

Tell him to go pound sand.

 

[Ricemarine]

Originally posted by: ironwing
Tell him to go pound sand.

Answer to all eh? :laugh:

 

[IronWing]

He went beyond simply copying your answers. He jepardized your grade as well. Cut him off.

 

[simms]

He gets cut off. You were nice enough once and he abused it... no more next time.

 

[aidanjm]

isn't it dangerous giving a paper to someone who you know is going to copy verbatim? if the teacher sees two identical papers containing the same workings and solutions, then both of you can be accused of cheating. I suppose there is less chance of that with a maths exercise (than with an essay or lab report), but it is still a bit risky. also, the guy sounds like a jerk so why do you consider him a friend?

 

[Ricemarine]

Originally posted by: aidanjm
isn't it dangerous giving a paper to someone who you know is going to copy verbatim? if the teacher sees two identical papers containing the same workings and solutions, then both of you can be accused of cheating. I suppose there is less chance of that with a maths exercise (than with an essay or lab report), but it is still a bit risky. also, the guy sounds like a jerk so why do you consider him a friend?

It is pretty dangerous copying it off verbatim, but most of the people that copy my work (which is pretty rare that people do) don't.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: Ricemarine

Originally posted by: aidanjm
isn't it dangerous giving a paper to someone who you know is going to copy verbatim? if the teacher sees two identical papers containing the same workings and solutions, then both of you can be accused of cheating. I suppose there is less chance of that with a maths exercise (than with an essay or lab report), but it is still a bit risky. also, the guy sounds like a jerk so why do you consider him a friend?

It is pretty dangerous copying it off verbatim, but most of the people that copy my work (which is pretty rare that people do) don't.

yes, but all it takes is one person to do it and you would face the consequences. both of you would receive some kind of punishment (not just the person who did the copying). is this guy's friendship worth that risk?

maybe you have other issues, like a need to be "nice" and an inability to tell people to fvck off when you need to.

 

[BUTCH1]

I think your "friend" is blowing a giant ball of smoke up your a$$, making excuses to
fit the occasion. Your busting your butt while he's probably playing X-box. The whole
incident were he kept your own paper shows little respect for you as well. I would tell
El-spongeo to take a hike or better yet scan and send the wrong answers then shut
off your cell...

 

[KarmaPolice]

Eh i have copied from friends and have let friends copy before. Its fine as long as it goes both ways, he is actually trying, or its a once and a while thing. If he expects it every time you should tell him that. In the case where he walked out with your paper I would be pissed and would not help him anymore. You were helping him and he screwed you over...i would be done right there no matter what he says next time.

 

[Tiamat]

you are spoiling him. Tell him to read the book. Entry level calculus is very simple. It takes practice, which takes time. If he is unwilling to take the time to practice it, copying homework isnt gonna help. Looks like he needs to go see a tutor.

I think its time for you to say "Sorry dude, Im too busy, try to ask this tutor for help."

 

[FusionKnight]

A friend should understand that copying verbatim is not cool and should not even ask. As others have said, cut him off - he abused your trust the first time.

FK

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: ironwing
Tell him to go pound sand.

Absolutely. Have fun with it though. Bring in a Burger King cap and hand it to him. When he asks you what it is, tell him it's his new uniform since his ass isn't going to graduate.

 

[Sphexi]

Where's the dilemma? Since when it is your job, or anybody else's job, to do his work for him? Tell him to do it, if he needs help, you'd be happy to provide him with some direction or suggestions, but not answers. If that seriously pisses him off, then he's obviously not a very good friend.

 

[pulse8]

Originally posted by: Sphexi
Where's the dilemma?

 

[BigPoppa]

Originally posted by: ironwing
Tell him to go pound sand.

Was that a Muslim joke?!? Heh.

 

[KingGheedora]

Just ignore his phone calls, avoid talking to him in person, and if you do talk to him just make excuses like "I haven't had time to do it yet", "I haven't finished it yet". After a couple week's he'll try to find someone else to mooch off of.

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: BigPoppa

Originally posted by: ironwing
Tell him to go pound sand.

Was that a Muslim joke?!? Heh.

Hey now, Muslims live in all kinds of environments. Sand, clay, gravel, boulders...

 

[Skunkwourk]

I wouldn't have helped him the second time. When you ask for something that belongs to you and they don't give it back, they're not your friend.

 

[novasatori]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: ironwing
Tell him to go pound sand.

Absolutely. Have fun with it though. Bring in a Burger King cap and hand it to him. When he asks you what it is, tell him it's his new uniform since his ass isn't going to graduate.

lol awesome

 

[Unmoosical]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: ironwing
Tell him to go pound sand.

Absolutely. Have fun with it though. Bring in a Burger King cap and hand it to him. When he asks you what it is, tell him it's his new uniform since his ass isn't going to graduate.

:thumbsup:

 

[BUTCH1]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: ironwing
Tell him to go pound sand.

Absolutely. Have fun with it though. Bring in a Burger King cap and hand it to him. When he asks you what it is, tell him it's his new uniform since his ass isn't going to graduate.

..............LOL!!!....excellent!............................

 

[Mo0o]

The moment he refused to give back your quiz you should hvae called him out in front of the class

 

[Bryophyte]

I wouldn't have let him get away it the first time. Why didn't you tell the prof that he had your paper in his backpack and wouldn't give it to you to turn in? After that stunt, you shouldn't be talking to the little bastard at all. Tell him to fvck himself.

 

[eLiu]

Wtf? Damn I wouldn't have even let the first time happen. He took your assignment and left? And now he expects you to help him MORE? That's absolutely ridiculous. Never speak to this person again b/c he's clearly lazy/worthless/irresponsible/etc.