When is Intel going to take "budget overclocking" seriously?

[superstition]

The mistake you are making is the belief that you represent some sizable market that's being neglected. Latest numbers I saw showed Google Chrome at 60+% of the browser market share. It's multithreaded. I'd far rather have a quad when using chrome than a dual core. I'm aware you don't like Chrome. That doesn't change the fact that your usage case is an extremely tiny market.

Budget overclocking was pretty popular when the Pentium E chips were around and the DS3L board. 80–100% overclocks will do that. : )

And, then there's the success of the Anniversary Pentium. I tried to tell people on slickdeals in particular not to fall for it but it was heavily pushed (along with the 840 EVO which I also tried to caution about). I said the days of the mighty dual core for gaming were back in 2007 with the E2140/2460 and posted quotes from gaming sites that recommended not going for a dual core unless one is content with a GPU like a 750 Ti. But, the Anniversary Pentium has niches, like emulation boxes. It's unfortunate that even a fast CPU is still going to involve significant input lag due to the nature of software emulation, though (according to noted emulator programmer Byuu).

An i3 that can be overclocked, especially if soldered, would be quite popular. Intel will never release such a part until 4 threads and two cores is obsolete enough.

 

[DrMrLordX]

AMD will not unlock Zen if it's a competitive CPU design. Ergo, if Zen is uncompetitive, we will have the exact same situation as we do now.

AMD only started unlocking everything because even their fastest desktop SKU was uncompetitive with Intel's midrange SKUs.

Actually, from the time AMD was last competitive (k8), AMD has allowed bclk/htt OC on everything up to their current product line, though with the Kaveri/Godavari/Carrizo APUs you have to use caution since such techniques tend to break things. SATA controller instability and all that.

If you're hell-bent and determined to OC an FM2+ chip that is locked, you can do it. There are people out there with 845s in the 4-4.6 GHz range depending on where you look.

Regardless htt OC worked on all k7 and k8 chips and you could OC the heck out of those guys even with a locked multi. They have never really changed that.

Sorry sir, I wasn't referring to you, but the poster above the comment. I should have been more specific. I quite like your posts, I apologize for the confusion.

And to the good Dr. - I've been around since the forums were first created.

Oh, carry on then!

 

[HiroThreading]

Actually, from the time AMD was last competitive (k8), AMD has allowed bclk/htt OC on everything up to their current product line, though with the Kaveri/Godavari/Carrizo APUs you have to use caution since such techniques tend to break things. SATA controller instability and all that.

If you're hell-bent and determined to OC an FM2+ chip that is locked, you can do it. There are people out there with 845s in the 4-4.6 GHz range depending on where you look.

Regardless htt OC worked on all k7 and k8 chips and you could OC the heck out of those guys even with a locked multi. They have never really changed that.

Well, then we can count FSB overclocking on Intel platforms too.

I guess I was more so talking about multiplier unlocked SKUs.

 

[IllogicalGlory]

AMD will not unlock Zen if it's a competitive CPU design. Ergo, if Zen is uncompetitive, we will have the exact same situation as we do now.

AMD only started unlocking everything because even their fastest desktop SKU was uncompetitive with Intel's midrange SKUs.

They could very well do it even if it is competitive; the marketing pitch writes itself and it's not even an extra expense. People will still recommend the highest clocked and binned chip to gamers, while people on a tighter budget may choose the Zen competitor over an i5-6500 or an i7-6700 if the performance and perf/dollar is similar out of the box except the AMD chip can be overclocked. Perhaps AMD can also offer the Wraith cooler with those SKUs and reduce costs on the binned ones by not including a stock cooler as Intel has done.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Well, then we can count FSB overclocking on Intel platforms too..

Right, but that's mostly been dead since Sandy Bridge. We sort of got it back with Skylake, but not really. Not entirely. Maybe the 2-series chipsets and Kabylake will finally fix that little problem.

 

[crashtech]

Right, but that's mostly been dead since Sandy Bridge. We sort of got it back with Skylake, but not really. Not entirely. Maybe the 2-series chipsets and Kabylake will finally fix that little problem.

Intel's idea of fixing it might not be the same as enthusiast's.

 

[ClockHound]

I'm still waiting for them to take high-end Xeon overclocking seriously. 20 used cores at 5Ghz in a 95W envelope, is that asking so much? ;-)

 

[DrMrLordX]

Intel's idea of fixing it might not be the same as enthusiast's.

. . . yeah, it might not. They might just can the whole thing and go back to 104 MHz or less, suck it up chump. We'll find out. Skylake sort of worked if you didn't want to use power saving modes, didn't want to use AVX/AVX2, and didn't want Intel's iGPU drivers to function. That takes a lot off the table, though.

I'm still waiting for them to take high-end Xeon overclocking seriously. 20 used cores at 5Ghz in a 95W envelope, is that asking so much? ;-)

Budget overclocking at its best!

 

[jpiniero]

I think there's a real chance overclocking will be gone completely from the mainstream line very soon.

 

[superstition]

I think there's a real chance overclocking will be gone completely from the mainstream line very soon.

Only if Intel starts soldering the quads aimed at enthusiasts. Until then, delidding gives the company an incentive to maintain overclocking ability.