When I grow....

[ManyBeers]

Is a boy who wants to be a woman or a girl who wants to be a man
--so called gender confusion-- any different than a boy/girl who wants to be a baseball player, rockstar, POTUS, lawyer, father, pilot etc.? I mean apart from society frowning upon it. Do you think the gender issue is in someway fundamentally different?

 

[darkswordsman17]

I think it can actually be more severe as far as its impact on the person's mental health. Someone who feels that they're a different gender trapped in the body of the opposite gender would be worse, as even with a sex change, I don't know that they will ever feel right.

What's with the thread title?

 

[coldmeat]

Now I have that pussycat dolls song stuck in my head because of the title.

 

[Red Squirrel]

If it's treated properly they can usually come out of it. Often it's a "stage" they get in and eventually fall out if given proper guidance. Sometimes they also need more attention. "middle childs" are known for this.

I'm not an expert at this, I just seen it happen a few times and they all fell out of it eventually.

 

[ManyBeers]

I think it can actually be more severe as far as its impact on the person's mental health. Someone who feels that they're a different gender trapped in the body of the opposite gender would be worse, as even with a sex change, I don't know that they will ever feel right.

What's with the thread title?

Why is it anymore severe than anyone else's failed dreams? Realizing you will never be the rockstar you always hoped you'd be.
What's wrong with the title? oh it got truncated. Should read When I grow up

 

[ManyBeers]

If it's treated properly they can usually come out of it. Often it's a "stage" they get in and eventually fall out if given proper guidance. Sometimes they also need more attention. "middle childs" are known for this.

I'm not an expert at this, I just seen it happen a few times and they all fell out of it eventually.

So you don't think their desires(in fact that's all they are) are in anyway fundamentally different? Basically it's just a boy wanting to be a girl or vice versa.

 

[ManyBeers]

Now I have that pussycat dolls song stuck in my head because of the title.

Sorry about that.

 

[Crono]

The greater question you are asking is whether gender roles matter.

I think they do, and they naturally arise and reinforce physical reality. I don't think whether you "feel" like something else on the inside matters; if you are genetically a male and have the sexual organs to match, you are a male. Act like whatever the cultural norm is for males, so long as it doesn't require immoral action (i.e. don't go around eating people if your culture happens to think cannibalism is manly).

I don't think it's wrong to hold a job that is typically held by the other gender, but if you start behaving like the opposite gender, that's not a good thing. We shouldn't become a society that is genderless in appearance and behavior. Men are men, women are women, and that's the way it should be.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Why is it anymore severe than anyone else's failed dreams? Realizing you will never be the rockstar you always hoped you'd be.
What's wrong with the title? oh it got truncated. Should read When I grow up

Because you have the ability to actually try to be those things, which if you feel you're the wrong gender, you can't do (even a sex change can only do so much). They're only failed dreams if you actually tried, which most people don't even do. Huge difference between being able to at least try, compared to not being able to at all. Then of course, if you actually really wanted to do those things then you wouldn't stop trying, but most people just give up, in which case it is solely your fault. Not really the case as you had no control over what gender you are born as. Now, being an athlete and then having a freak accident physically impair you so that you can't perform any more, that would be comparable.

 

[TecHNooB]

Yes, it's very different. Stop fucking with biology.

 

[nageov3t]

I don't understand how anyone could not want to be a man.

 

[ManyBeers]

The greater question you are asking is whether gender roles matter.

I think they do, and they naturally arise and reinforce physical reality. I don't think whether you "feel" like something else on the inside matters; if you are genetically a male and have the sexual organs to match, you are a male. Act like whatever the cultural norm is for males, so long as it doesn't require immoral action (i.e. don't go around eating people if your culture happens to think cannibalism is manly).

I don't think it's wrong to hold a job that is typically held by the other gender, but if you start behaving like the opposite gender, that's not a good thing. We shouldn't become a society that is genderless in appearance and behavior. Men are men, women are women, and that's the way it should be.

What I'm getting at is the desire for a boy who wants to be a girl
or at least feels he is a girl inside any different than a boy who feels he is a rockstar or whatever. There both just desires, hopes, dreams and none is more special than the other.

 

[ManyBeers]

Because you have the ability to actually try to be those things, which if you feel you're the wrong gender, you can't do (even a sex change can only do so much). They're only failed dreams if you actually tried, which most people don't even do. Huge difference between being able to at least try, compared to not being able to at all. Then of course, if you actually really wanted to do those things then you wouldn't stop trying, but most people just give up, in which case it is solely your fault. Not really the case as you had no control over what gender you are born as. Now, being an athlete and then having a freak accident physically impair you so that you can't perform any more, that would be comparable.

Just because their desire is less likely to happen doesn't change
the fact that it is just a desire or hope. A choice is made to pursue desire or not.

Everyone one of us is born something(or at least we thought we were). The difference is some proved it.

 

[darkswordsman17]

What I'm getting at is the desire for a boy who wants to be a girl
or at least feels he is a girl inside any different than a boy who feels he is a rockstar or whatever. There both just desires, hopes, dreams and none is more special than the other.

I think you need to be around people who actually feel they are a different gender. Every one that I've seen, it is clearly a more severe psychological impact than not being whatever profession you wanted to be. It goes beyond more than they just want to be the opposite gender.

 

[ManyBeers]

Yes, it's very different. Stop fucking with biology.

It is no different than anyone else's hopes or dreams. And I'm not the one fucking with biology, they are.

 

[MercenaryYoureFired]

What the fuck kind of shit are you talking about? None is more special than the other? WTH

These cases are about what the kids are, not their desire, to be a boy/girl. The kids you see that are like this ARE a boy or girl mentally, but not physically. It has nothing to do with aspirations to be a lawyers/doctor or whatever that other gibberish shit you're spewing out.

To say none is more special than the other is just fucking stupid and completely wrong.

 

[nageov3t]

It is no different than anyone else's hopes or dreams.

yes, it is.

 

[ManyBeers]

I think you need to be around people who actually feel they are a different gender. Every one that I've seen, it is clearly a more severe psychological impact than not being whatever profession you wanted to be. It goes beyond more than they just want to be the opposite gender.

So you are buying that huh.
Feel they are different gender. That's just another way of saying I think I'm a girl. How is that any different from someone saying they are a president when there not?

 

[ManyBeers]

yes, it is.

How so?

 

[ManyBeers]

What the fuck kind of shit are you talking about? None is more special than the other? WTH

These cases are about what the kids are, not their desire, to be a boy/girl. The kids you see that are like this ARE a boy or girl mentally, but not physically. It has nothing to do with aspirations to be a lawyers/doctor or whatever that other gibberish shit you're spewing out.

To say none is more special than the other is just fucking stupid and completely wrong.[/QUOTE

Well when I was a kid I knew I was a professional baseball player mentally.... I just never proved it physically

 

[nageov3t]

if you don't get it, you're clueless and can't be helped.

 

[ManyBeers]

if you don't get it, you're clueless and can't be helped.

I'm clueless! That's all you have to say?
.

 

[nageov3t]

I'm clueless! That's all you have to say?
.

yeah.

I mean, how do you not get that there's a difference between wanting to be a baseball player and fundamentally feeling at the core of you're being that you're the wrong gender?

 

[ManyBeers]

yeah.

I mean, how do you not get that there's a difference between wanting to be a baseball player and fundamentally feeling at the core of you're being that you're the wrong gender?

Why do you claim there is a difference? They are both just wants hopes dreams desires. That's all.
What is the "core" first off. Oh I guess this means their feelings are stronger more real than the kid who wants to be a ballplayer.