when/how was it decided that murder is ok to show on tv, but sex/profanity is not?

dolph

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i was just watching birds of prey (i'm hoping it'll get better), and in the last few minutes harley quinn breaks a guy's neck and kills him. for some reason it kind of shocked me, that they would show something like that so openly. not allude to it, but completely show it. which brings me to my point: why was that ok to show on tv, but a nipple or an utterance of "sh!t" would have never even been considered?
 

earthman

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Because, collectively at least, we are a nation of uptight hypocrites.
And frankly, most men are more frightened of sex and intimacy than they are of violence and death.
 

Desslok

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Originally posted by: earthman
Because, collectively at least, we are a nation of uptight hypocrites. And frankly, most men are more frightened of sex and intimacy than they are of violence and death.

I run away from sex and intimacy like a little school girl every chance I get.

 

Aves

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You got me.

Back in the day there was a thread here with a poll where most people voted that they would prefer to let their kids watch someone get killed rather than let them see pr0n.
 

Sophia

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When I watched American History X on TBS (I think), it made me ask the same question. The language was edited for television.

In one scene, the guy says "Get the hell out of my house" and the bleeped the "hell." The next scene was him smashing the other guy's head into the curb.

It made the "standards" seem just a little idiotic.
 

esso

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Once again, this is an area where most of the world has it right, and we have it wrong.

Watch some Shock Video 2002 to see what kind of late night programming they have in Europe and East Asia.
 

prodigy

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Originally posted by: Desslok
Originally posted by: earthman
Because, collectively at least, we are a nation of uptight hypocrites. And frankly, most men are more frightened of sex and intimacy than they are of violence and death.

I run away from sex and intimacy like a little school girl every chance I get.

I giggle like a little school girl at the mere mention of penis or vagina.
 

Dragoon42

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i'm surprised that you even watch that show, saw the 1st episode and that was enough for me =/
 

Sealy

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I'm not sure about California...but up here in Canada they show enough sex and cussing! On the CBC (Canadian Broadcast Corporation) Nudity and swearing are common place! Of course it is only after hours around 10-11. Also Not sure if you get it down there but there is a show called 'The Chris Isaac Show' that shows plenty of nudity, non frontal and does'nt bleep out the "F" word.
 

Kadarin

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Welcome to the wonderful world of American-style right-wing Christian fundamentalism, where it's perfectly ok on national television to show someone's head exploding, but God forbid anyone expose our kids to a nipple...
 

WinkOsmosis

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Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Welcome to the wonderful world of American-style right-wing Christian fundamentalism, where it's perfectly ok on national television to show someone's head exploding, but God forbid anyone expose our kids to a nipple...
It's just American culture.
 

Skyclad1uhm1

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Sex is only allowed in a marriage between a man and a woman, or in church between a priest and whatever kid he likes. Violence is allowed both in as out of marriage. Didn't you learn that from the Bible?
 

ChrisIsBored

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You guys are ALL WRONG! The real answer is....

Your local cable company can get $10 off your horny a$$ if you want to see a nipple on tv! :D
 

silverpig

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I watched some softcore porn on a station carried by regular cable (I think you can even get it here via rabbit ears!) on Friday night. I also watched Band of Brothers on that same channel on Sunday night.

CTV rocks :)
 

gopunk

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people try and force their sense of morality onto everybody else, and you wonder why these things don't make sense? seems obvious to me :p
 

ScottyB

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Welcome to the wonderful world of American-style right-wing Christian fundamentalism, where it's perfectly ok on national television to show someone's head exploding, but God forbid anyone expose our kids to a nipple...

I am very liberal, if some of you haven't noticed, but I much rather see someone get killed and/or mutilated with my parents(we are a sadistic family and love to watch and laugh at this sort of thing) than see a naked person with them.
 

udonoogen

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Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Welcome to the wonderful world of American-style right-wing Christian fundamentalism, where it's perfectly ok on national television to show someone's head exploding, but God forbid anyone expose our kids to a nipple...

why does anything remotely moral have to be blamed on right-wing Christian fundamentalism? does it mean i'm a fundamentalist if i believe that sex/profanity shouldn't be on TV? i don't necessarily approve of violence and murder, but it's too late to turn back the clock.

there are two ways of dealing with the line that we haven't crossed when it comes to sexuality:
(1) just allow anything and not be hypocritical for principal's sake (forget morals and desensitizing the children of our country)
(2) leave it the way it is and try to protect young minds

if you're a good parent you'll screen what your kids watch so they dont see murder and the like on TV. and as for me ... i'd rather not see nudity on public television thank you very much.

edit: oops
 

klah

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Originally posted by: dolph
when/how was it decided that murder is ok to show on tv, but sex/profanity is not?
The U.S. has the most sexually repressed culture outside of the middle east.
 

gopunk

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Originally posted by: udonoogen
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Welcome to the wonderful world of American-style right-wing Christian fundamentalism, where it's perfectly ok on national television to show someone's head exploding, but God forbid anyone expose our kids to a nipple...

why does anything remotely moral have to be blamed on right-wing Christian fundamentalism? does it mean i'm a fundamentalist if i believe that sex/profanity shouldn't be on TV? i don't necessarily approve of violence and murder, but it's too late to turn back the clock.

there are two ways of dealing with the line that we haven't crossed when it comes to profanity:
(1) just allow anything and not be hypocritical for principal's sake (forget morals and desensitizing the children of our country)
(2) leave it the way it is and try to protect young minds

if you're a good parent you'll screen what your kids watch so they dont see murder and the like on TV. and as for me ... i'd rather not see nudity on public television thank you very much.

the whole reason the human body is viewed as taboo to begin with is because of judeo-christian conceptions of morality and whatnot. that's why.
 

NewSc2

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Thread Title: when/how was it decided that murder is ok to show on tv, but sex/profanity is not?

Once upon a time, on December 18th, 1979 it was decided that it wasn't okay. How? A few executives got together in a room and watched pornos with vulgar words in it and said, we can't let the whole world see this, we want to keep this tape to ourselves, how else are we going to make money? So they had to show violence instead. The end.
 

udonoogen

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Originally posted by: gopunk
Originally posted by: udonoogen
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Welcome to the wonderful world of American-style right-wing Christian fundamentalism, where it's perfectly ok on national television to show someone's head exploding, but God forbid anyone expose our kids to a nipple...

why does anything remotely moral have to be blamed on right-wing Christian fundamentalism? does it mean i'm a fundamentalist if i believe that sex/profanity shouldn't be on TV? i don't necessarily approve of violence and murder, but it's too late to turn back the clock.

there are two ways of dealing with the line that we haven't crossed when it comes to profanity:
(1) just allow anything and not be hypocritical for principal's sake (forget morals and desensitizing the children of our country)
(2) leave it the way it is and try to protect young minds

if you're a good parent you'll screen what your kids watch so they dont see murder and the like on TV. and as for me ... i'd rather not see nudity on public television thank you very much.

the whole reason the human body is viewed as taboo to begin with is because of judeo-christian conceptions of morality and whatnot. that's why.

i don't disagree with you. i would agree say that our morals do have Christian roots. however, nowadays, we've gone away from being a country that hardly wants to recognize such roots. nowadays there are people that do hold these values that are not Christian. you cannot place the label of "right wing Christian fundamentalist" over every person that does not support porn on television.
 

B00ne

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Originally posted by: dolph
i was just watching birds of prey (i'm hoping it'll get better), and in the last few minutes harley quinn breaks a guy's neck and kills him. for some reason it kind of shocked me, that they would show something like that so openly. not allude to it, but completely show it. which brings me to my point: why was that ok to show on tv, but a nipple or an utterance of "sh!t" would have never even been considered?

That my friend has to do with American hypocrisy and prudishness.

Check out our TV we got it all: tits in the afternoon , swearing whenever one feels like it and off course the violence aint missing either - although excessive violence as described cant be shown before XX:xx o'clock (me thinks - at least some violent movies are heavily edited when shown at prime time...