When has a party had a worse set of presidential primary candidates than Rep 2012?

[werepossum]

Your point is well taken. If President Obama is re-elected (as seems likely given the comedy of errors happening on the GOP side), he will be a lame duck and I fear the Tea Party element will take all available action to nullify his office's authority from the very start. We shall see . . .

Assuming he is reelected, and I think he will be, we'll see if Obama is the raging leftist some of us thought he was or the moderately left of center guy he's usually governed as. He may try flexing his muscles via the agencies, implementing Cap & Tax as well as destroying insurance companies. Or he may continue much as he has.

 

[sportage]

Forget about the candidates. Think about the kids.
Your kids have listened to more sex, stupidity, insulting behavior on TV the last few months than on any movie or TV series showing on HBO, Showtime or Cmax.
For a party that claims to be so "Pro-Family", the kids are sure getting a first class gutter sex education. Funny if it wasn’t so tragic.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Bring back Howard Dean.

In many ways Dean was the most interesting candidate since Teddy Roosevelt in that public support outside the party machine almost carried the day. Of course that was killed eventually and good ole boy Kerry saved the day.

 

[werepossum]

In many ways Dean was the most interesting candidate since Teddy Roosevelt in that public support outside the party machine almost carried the day. Of course that was killed eventually and good ole boy Kerry saved the day.

But Dean is a straight-up, unabashed socialist.

Thank G-d for Kerry.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

But Dean is a straight-up, unabashed socialist.

Thank G-d for Kerry.

While I wasn't a fan of all that Dean represented (I lived in VT while he was governor) he did represent a motivated group of citizens who found a beloved patriot in the armor of The Big Two parties and consequently Dean didn't have to sell his soul in advance. In the end it all came down to tilting at windmills with conformity and mediocrity carrying the day. I have to respect the attempt.

 

[werepossum]

While I wasn't a fan of all that Dean represented (I lived in VT while he was governor) he did represent a motivated group of citizens who found a beloved patriot in the armor of The Big Two parties and consequently Dean didn't have to sell his soul in advance. In the end it all came down to tilting at windmills with conformity and mediocrity carrying the day. I have to respect the attempt.

I respect the attempt, but just as with Ron Paul (with whom I'm aligned on many issues) I'm glad it failed.

 

[cybrsage]

Maybe Dean and Paul should join forces...

 

[cybrsage]

You blame Gore for the election being stolen - asinine.

No election was stolen. That is a tired, old myth that BushBashers™ like to prented was real.

 

[HendrixFan]

I don't think Fox gets all the blame - cable media more broadly and voters and I don't know what all, it's not really clear why that yell killed his candidacy, sadly for the country.

Dean was being slammed by the hard right early on, probably because he seemed like a formidable opponent to Bush. Dean was pretty centrist and carried himself as more of a common man, and that worked out well for GWB when he ran in 2000. With the "Dean moment" the crowd noise was filtered out, his microphone was pretty much all the TV audience heard. It made him seem silly and out of control, which was what the hard right was already slamming him for.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQh0BEUlJWY

This is a clip showing what it sounded like to anyone in the room.

 

[Zebo]

But Dean is a straight-up, unabashed socialist.

Thank G-d for Kerry.

".. paid off much of its public debt and had a balanced budget 11 times, lowering income taxes twice."

Sounds like a Republican campaign ad which Dean actually delivered on. Basically you fail. (stop watching Rush bro)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Dean

 

[Siddhartha]

The GOP is the party of Ann Coulter, Mr Limbaugh, the Tea Party, Religious Right, Guns Uber Alles, the Big Money Guys, the Federal Government is evil belivers, Southern Strategy, the anti-Science and anti-Intellectual groups, xenophobes, et al.

Actually sometimes the GOP reminds me of the John Birch Society and the other groups that were considered to be extreme right wing nutters.

To appeal successfully to such an audience you get the current group running for the GOP POTUS nomination.

BTW, have you noticed that the same people try to divert all threads no matter what the OP is to being about Mr Obama?

 

[Siddhartha]

Assuming he is reelected, and I think he will be, we'll see if Obama is the raging leftist some of us thought he was or the moderately left of center guy he's usually governed as. He may try flexing his muscles via the agencies, implementing Cap & Tax as well as destroying insurance companies. Or he may continue much as he has.

Mr Obama was never a "raging leftist". The GOP portrayed him as one to scare people. Go back and actually listen to what he said during the 2008 campaign.

 

[Ausm]

Mr Obama was never a "raging leftist". The GOP portrayed him as one to scare people. Go back and actually listen to what he said during the 2008 campaign.

I think he was a Socialist Kenyan personally.

 

[cybrsage]

No no no, he is a Keynesian. His father was from Keynesia...

 

[micrometers]

But Dean is a straight-up, unabashed socialist.

Thank G-d for Kerry.

hardly. Dean was actually pretty preppy, a cheapskate in a lot of ways.

It seems like with media coverage once they tag you that's it.

 

[micrometers]

Do you know what I find messed up? Conservatives love Palin, but they seemed to like her EVEN MORE when her daughter took a step towards trashiness and became a teenaged mother.

Romney in contrast I think some conservatives don't like him because he is too perfect.

 

[cybrsage]

Way to paint all teen moms as being trashy. I assume you did not have set until you were in your 20s, right?

 

[Fayd]

That's not exactly correct. Despite overwhelming electoral wins, their approval ratings were not as high as you'd expect from them.

It was less their being popular than successfully attacking the opponent in the election.

You blame Gore for the election being stolen - asinine.

craig, you're a nutcase and not a reasonable source of anything...

except the next far left conspiracy theory.

attacking the opponent in an election is a viable and very successful tactic employed by *everyone* who runs in politics. whining about it is akin to whining that the earth is round.

and lol @ 'stealing the election'. bush won the election legitimately.

if you are unwilling to concede to that, why is it that the vice president of the hugely popular clinton was unable to do better against the son of the less popular bush?

 

[Craig234]

Please put me on ignore

OK.

 

[MotF Bane]

Fayd 1 - Craig 0.

 

[dank69]

Or worse, saying there are 57 states. No one that dull would ever be elected President...

No election was stolen. That is a tired, old myth that BushBashers™ like to prented was real.

Troll your boat, kiddo.

 

[fantolay]

I mean despite having absolutely no political experience, Obama was elected.

Anything can happen.

 

[werepossum]

".. paid off much of its public debt and had a balanced budget 11 times, lowering income taxes twice."

Sounds like a Republican campaign ad which Dean actually delivered on. Basically you fail. (stop watching Rush bro)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Dean

He is certainly fiscally conservative; he did a good job in Vermont. I don't however want him turning the rest of America into Vermont. (And you can't watch Rush, he's not on TV anymore.)

Mr Obama was never a "raging leftist". The GOP portrayed him as one to scare people. Go back and actually listen to what he said during the 2008 campaign.

What a politician SAYS in a campaign means nothing. Actually it means less than nothing, since all candidates (with the possible exception of fringe candidates like Kucinich and Paul) intentionally lie to gain power. Go back and read "Dreams from my father". Look at the speeches he gave to friendly groups. Hell, look at what he told Joe the Plumber - he thinks the country works best when you "spread the money around". This is the very essence of the left - empowering government so that it can seize wealth and give it to whomever government deems worthy.

 

[dank69]

...
he thinks the country works best when you "spread the money around". This is the very essence of the left - empowering government so that it can seize wealth and give it to whomever government deems worthy.

I just want to understand your mentality when it comes to this issue. Are you aware that there is a somewhat fixed amount of wealth in the world? Or do you think there is an unlimited supply of wealth?

 

[dbk]

Huntsman is the best choice...