How was that a joke? Did anyone else think he was kidding?
You jumped on it 2 seconds after I posted it...do you really think it had time to be determined as a joke?
You jumped on it 2 seconds after I posted it...do you really think it had time to be determined as a joke?
QuantumPion
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What? Stop being a moron and just admit you were mistaken and stop trying to hide your embarrassment by pretending you were only kidding. You aren't fooling anyone.
airdata
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The California gubernatorial field was pretty wild...
Compared to some of you elderly folk, I'm rather young. All I know about presidency is bush clinton clinton bush bush obama...
We've gotten to a point where the field is so crappy that even presidents who aren't doing so hot can win reelection.
Compared to some of you elderly folk, I'm rather young. All I know about presidency is bush clinton clinton bush bush obama...
We've gotten to a point where the field is so crappy that even presidents who aren't doing so hot can win reelection.
airdata
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etrigan420
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Oooo, good call.
This current crop of GOP hopefuls reminds me of California's "Parade O' Shame".
Now they just need a porn star to join the field...
HendrixFan
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I thought Howard Dean could have taken GW out, but Fox News submarined him so that the Dems would put forward John Kerry. John Kerry was probably the worst candidate I have seen in my lifetime, the only thing he inspires anyone to do is gouge their brain with a screwdriver when he talks.
Fayd
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I'm not exactly old enough to remember these, but from what i remember of AP Gov class, these elections seem more to point to the fact that Reagan and Nixon in their times were enormously popular, and in the case of bush, that popularity trickled down to elect Bush.
a better example of a terrible cantidate would be Al Gore, who despite a hugely popular president leaving the nomination to him, managed to screw it up and hand the presidency to a less popular president's son.
my point is that electoral vote counts aren't everything that determines an electable candidate.
HendrixFan
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Policy wise, Gore would have done a good job as President as he would have put the surplus in a lockbox and work towards paying down the debt. Things would be quite different right now if he had "won". As a candidate he made a HUGE error in trying to distance himself from Clinton because of the Lewinsky scandal. He refused to let Clinton campaign for him and spoke in platitudes about how he was "his own man". The people wanted Clinton 2.0 and Gore wouldn't give it to them.
Well said!
It is really entertaining reading all the say it ain't so posts in this thread.
glenn1
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As others have pointed out, the class of 1988 Democrats wasn't exactly top-notch either. Back then as today the field suffered from the lack of the obvious candidate to run and likely win - Mario Cuomo in 1988, Jeb Bush today. Jeb is probably still leery of running after Dubya kinda polluted the Bush name in the minds of voters, and who knows why Cuomo passed.
That's not exactly correct. Despite overwhelming electoral wins, their approval ratings were not as high as you'd expect from them.
It was less their being popular than successfully attacking the opponent in the election.
You blame Gore for the election being stolen - asinine.
I don't think Fox gets all the blame - cable media more broadly and voters and I don't know what all, it's not really clear why that yell killed his candidacy, sadly for the country.
We have had the worst possible choices for president for some time now. This year will be no different and yes Craig, I am talking about both parties.
Hell, I think the Repubs secretly love Obama because he is really really like them and they won't really mind losing this one.
Hell, I think the Repubs secretly love Obama because he is really really like them and they won't really mind losing this one.
The 'centrist fallacy', 'both sides are just as bad'. Obama is much 'less bad' than them.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
First part correct. Second part would be correct if it said "...than some of them."
Yep, that seems to be the shape of things right now. Neither side has a real leader in the race. The country is so divided I expect no real governing for the foreseeable future.
Don Vito Corleone
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Your point is well taken. If President Obama is re-elected (as seems likely given the comedy of errors happening on the GOP side), he will be a lame duck and I fear the Tea Party element will take all available action to nullify his office's authority from the very start. We shall see . . .
feralkid
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Perhaps, but being a lame duck has not always been a bad thing. Maybe Obama will completely drop any pretense of reaching out to the loons.
On the one hand, second terms usually don't go well.
I think this could be different though - Obama unplugged.
He's been so obstructed his first term, and has learned some lessons Ron Suskind just wrote about, such that I think he MIGHT get better.
Alternatively, we could learn the 'George Bush lesson' yet again. "oops."
Wow, that's more agreement than I'd expect.
I think I got it right, but who are you claiming Obama isn't better than?
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