When do you think the majority of new personal computer systems will become 100% solid state?

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When I say 'solid state' I mean with no tubes (CRTs) and no moving parts (flopply, magnetic disk hard dives)?? The technology is out there, i.e. flat panel displays and flash memories, but I don't think FPDs have surpassed CRTs yet, and it'll be a while before the completely solid state flash hard disk drives are able to compete with spinning disk technology (price per byte). Any predictions?
 

Eli

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Hopefully somewhat soon..

There is no need for mechanical devices in a computer. They are unreliable.. at least when you put it into perspective.
 

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Be a while. Solid state sounds nice, but the fact is any device can fail. What would be required is hundred dollar non volatile memory with terabyte capacity.
 

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Solid state hard drives are possible right now, with cards you can put in your PC and fill w/ RAM that always stay powered via a molex to wall socket connection, so there's no data loss when you power down your PC. It's expensive as hell to do though, but it's pretty fast. Passive cooling is doable, but getting that warm air out of the PC case will be tough w/o any fans.
 

Viper GTS

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It will be a very, very long time.

Right now (for the personal market) hundreds of gigabytes of storage for under $1 a gig is far more important than solid state.

If you want sticker shock, look up a Quantum Rushmore.

The sub $1000 PC market is where the vast majority of PC's are purchased, even a very simple (and small) solid state storage system would far surpass what most people are willing to spend on the entire PC.

Viper GTS
 

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Originally posted by: Viper GTS
It will be a very, very long time.

Right now (for the personal market) hundreds of gigabytes of storage for under $1 a gig is far more important than solid state.

If you want sticker shock, look up a Quantum Rushmore.

The sub $1000 PC market is where the vast majority of PC's are purchased, even a very simple (and small) solid state storage system would far surpass what most people are willing to spend on the entire PC.

Viper GTS

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FoBoT

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10 years minimum

some devices will get by will low memory (1-2GB) sooner, but if you want 200-500GB of permanent storage, hard drives will be needed for a good while

the devices Viper refers to are about $25K i believe , well, for the ones of any usable size, who wants a 134MB hard drive? :Q
 

notfred

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Your plan for solid state machine also requires the removal of cooling fans and CD/DVD drives.
 

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Originally posted by: MistaTastyCakes
Solid state hard drives are possible right now, with cards you can put in your PC and fill w/ RAM that always stay powered via a molex to wall socket connection, so there's no data loss when you power down your PC. It's expensive as hell to do though, but it's pretty fast. Passive cooling is doable, but getting that warm air out of the PC case will be tough w/o any fans.

Yep, possible, but unless there is special need, few are going to buy something which costs much more and offers much less storage space. Improvements in memory will happen, but all the while, hard drives will too. I remember when M/O drives (CD's for that matter) were going to crush the hard drive industry. You could fill a CD with several drives worth of data. Now you can put many, many CDs on a hard drive, and not even make a dent in storage. By the time non volitile memory hits the terabyte level, hard drives could be a thousand times their present capacity, although that would require a few neat tricks.
 

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Originally posted by: FoBoT
10 years minimum

some devices will get by will low memory (1-2GB) sooner, but if you want 200-500GB of permanent storage, hard drives will be needed for a good while

the devices Viper refers to are about $25K i believe , well, for the ones of any usable size, who wants a 134MB hard drive? :Q
Biggest one I can find is the 238mb model at around 5k..

Hmm, here's a 1gb model.. no price though.

50ms access time?! That doesen't seem very fast. :p

Ahh, yeah.. 3.2gb Quantum Rushmore drive.. 28k each..


:Q
 

Viper GTS

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Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: FoBoT
10 years minimum

some devices will get by will low memory (1-2GB) sooner, but if you want 200-500GB of permanent storage, hard drives will be needed for a good while

the devices Viper refers to are about $25K i believe , well, for the ones of any usable size, who wants a 134MB hard drive? :Q
Biggest one I can find is the 238mb model at around 5k..

Hmm, here's a 1gb model.. no price though.

50ms access time?! That doesen't seem very fast. :p

Ahh, yeah.. 3.2gb Quantum Rushmore drive.. 28k each..


:Q

Check that access time again, that should be ns - NOT ms.

;)

Viper GTS
 

Eli

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Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: FoBoT
10 years minimum

some devices will get by will low memory (1-2GB) sooner, but if you want 200-500GB of permanent storage, hard drives will be needed for a good while

the devices Viper refers to are about $25K i believe , well, for the ones of any usable size, who wants a 134MB hard drive? :Q
Biggest one I can find is the 238mb model at around 5k..

Hmm, here's a 1gb model.. no price though.

50ms access time?! That doesen't seem very fast. :p

Ahh, yeah.. 3.2gb Quantum Rushmore drive.. 28k each..


:Q

Check that access time again, that should be ns - NOT ms.

;)

Viper GTS
Yeah, it didn't seem right, and now I can't find the page where I saw it. The specs for the 3.2gb Rushmore drive come in at a smooth 0.05ms access time. Crazy.